The Legbar Thread!

[Infinity]

Might be female, but I'm thinking mixed breed. Some one hopped a fence maybe?

 

[Infinity]

No chance of another roo. I only put my smaller CCLBs under her.

 

[lonnyandrinda]

Hello,

If I may chime in, "The stance in this picture means male," and as I'm unfamiliar with this sexing method, are you indicating that the very upright and chest thrusting stance indicates a male chick, please? Lee

Yes exactly. Females do posture like this occasionally but males do this far more often- and tend to not back down when challenged by other chicks. It's using their behavior combined with other clues, like comb, leg size, and feathering pattern to make a gender guess. The more things add up the more certain I am of male or female. Male behavior, larger/redder comb, thicker legs when compared with the same age female, and bare back are all male indicators. If you watch a large batch of chicks all the same age you will notice females grow their back feathers in first- males get a body growth spurt first so they often have a "naked" back, with wing feathers only for a few weeks.

No chance of another roo. I only put my smaller CCLBs under her.

OK. Then I'm thinking this is a poorly colored female. If I hatched a chick like this I would sell it as a "blue egg layer" and not use it for breeding- breeders in the UK have stated breeding from chicks like this can cause the "autosexing" ability to become very muddled down the line.

 

[pinksapphire]

I just bought this trio of cream legbar at a poultry fair, it is my first time keeping this breed.
The man I bought them from said they were about 6 months old, but they look much younger to me, any idea of what age they might be?

 

[lonnyandrinda]

I'd guess closer to 4 1/2 months old, maybe as much as 5.

 

[HaHaUthinkso]

This may be of interest with regards the type of the legbar. It is part of a newspaper article I have talking about the Gold Legbar published in Sept 1937.

Quote:
Given that the CLB was a gold with the cream gene added ( the cream gene itself having been nurtured through 3 generations of leghorn) it might suggest that LEGBAR type is that of the Leghorn.

This could also be underpinned by M Pease Reaseheath gene which was of course Leghorn.

Good day

 

[dretd]

This may be of interest with regards the type of the legbar. It is part of a newspaper article I have talking about the Gold Legbar published in Sept 1937.

Quote:

Given that the CLB was a gold with the cream gene added ( the cream gene itself having been nurtured through 3 generations of leghorn) it might suggest that LEGBAR type is that of the Leghorn.

This could also be underpinned by M Pease Reaseheath gene which was of course Leghorn.

Good day

Good morning HaHaUThinkSo, its been awhile since you've been on the Legbar thread! Welcome back.

Its good to bring up type. The consensus is (and always has been, from my perspective) that Legbars are generally a Mediterranian type although their class will be English if and when they are admitted to the SOP. They seem to have borrowed their shorter legs, heavier weight and barring from the Rock, but really everything else is pretty Leghorn-y. Although not American Leghorn but rather more European--I think they got the Leghorns from Denmark if memory serves.

A month or two back I went through the APA SOP and felt that the photos and description of the Blue Andalusian matched up with the Legbar the best of all the Med Class breeds in type except for the legs. The Andalusian has a description of a rather long thigh whereas the Legbar has a medium length thigh. Today's American Leghorn has a back that is described where the back slopes down to the center line then rides again so there is a concave sweep to the tail. I think that this back-tail description and the size (Legbars being a pound heavier in cocks at 7 pounds and 1 1/2 pounds heavier in the hen than the Leghorn at 6 pounds--the Andalusian has the cock at 7 and the hen at 5 1/2 pounds) are the biggest differences between the Leghorn and the Legbar.

So yes, your post is a really good reminder to look at the description of type in the SOP!

eta: here is a link to the current Cream Legbar SOP although there is a slight rewording of the female crest description in the pipeline: http://www.creamlegbarclub.com/29-draft-standard-of-perfection-revision-2

 

[HaHaUthinkso]

These may interest you :



Black Leghorn Male 1954 British Standards



Silver Legbar Male 1954 British Standards


In both cases the standard states " Legs Moderately Long " Weights are the same.

The Andalusian standard of that year states " Legs Long "


May also be worth noting the colour of the wing / shoulder (interesting ?)

 

[dretd]

These may interest you :



Black Leghorn Male 1954 British Standards



Silver Legbar Male 1954 British Standards


In both cases the standard states " Legs Moderately Long " Weights are the same.

The Andalusian standard of that year states " Legs Long "


May also be worth noting the colour of the wing / shoulder (interesting ?)

These are very nice photos. I do not have a copy of the British standards. Do you know if the description matches the one posted here http://www.harislau.info/legbar ? It would be outstanding if you could post the differences between the current one and the one you are referencing from 1954.

One struggle that we have is to adapt the British Standard to fit with the descriptive format required by the APA to fit the Cream Legbar into the SOP here. The British standard appears to be less exacting and descriptive than the American one. For instance, the British Standard allows for a comb "deep and evenly serrated (5 to 7 spikes broad at the base), " Whereas the American SOP requires us to pick one number of serrations so we picked 6. The Cream Legbar British leg description just says "Legs moderately long" whereas the American version also says "Legs moderately long" but goes on to clarify 'thighs are medium length' as all the SOPs talk specifically about shanks and thighs. This may be an area that needs to be streamlined in our draft SOP as we move forward. I also know that there are terms used in British vs American descriptions that are different like the color of the CL's eye in Britain is red or orange and here we have to pick one and the description is Reddish bay as that is as close as we can come to the original description.

What specifically are you reading in our draft SOP that you feel is not correct when you compare it to the British Standard? It would be really helpful if you could pick out specific examples in our draft description that you think are too different from the British Standard we are using as the template for the SOP and parse the differences here for us to consider.

eta: I forgot to ask you what you are seeing in the 'colour' of the shoulder of the Silver Legbar that is interesting. Since it is a black and white picture I do not feel capable of deciding what color this is. It for sure is a darker patch of barring. Chestnut, darker grey, slate, I really can't tell. I am guessing that you are thinking this is a black and white representation of the allowed chestnut since you are saying 'colour' (although my 13 year old budding artist daughter would point out that black and white are colors too

), but I would prefer not to assume anything and have you clarify your point for me so I understand better.

 

[vlhavens]

What do you suppose the value or benefit of creaming, or silvering, the gold CLB was and is? Particularly if the earlier CLB was laying the size and color of blue egg desired. Not having researched the details of it's genesis, I'd surmise that the earlier eggs was too olive. But, rather than trying to cream an olive egg, wouldn't it have made so much more sense to start afresh with blue gene on white, and cosmetically tweak the appearance from there? There is something counter intuitive about all of this...