• giveaway ENDS SOON! Cutest Baby Fowl Photo Contest: Win a Brinsea Maxi 24 EX Connect CLICK HERE!

The Legbar Thread!

7-1/2 lbs...Wow, mine are around 4-1/2 lbs. The APA leghorn has a fanned-out tails, but have you looked at any of the Champion UK Leghorns? Their tail is NOT like the APA leghorn. They have a straight line from the tip of the tail down to the fluff of the hen.

Take a look. http://www.theleghornclub.com/

That is what some people in the UK tell me the Cream Legbar shape should be. This is another point that American Legbar breeders have to consider. Should the APA Cream Legbar have the Tail of an APA Leghorn, or the Tail of the PCGB Leghorn. :)
The UK style leghorns look nothing like the Livorno (the original leghorns from Italy), the livorno, Dutch bred leghorns, and American bred leghorns all look similar, the UK birds have a pinched tail which is not desirable in any breeds here in the US other than cornish, modern games, and a couple of the other oriental/fighting style breeds. To me, birds with the pinched tails look sickly. While we were closing up at the show, I was able to talk to some old time breeders and judges and we all agreed on the tail issue. 2 of them have been to the big national show in the UK to see the real deal legbars and gave commentary on the whole thing. Plymouth rocks are also supposed to have more of a spread tail too and who knows what the original blue egg laying hen had. If I remember correctly, didn't they use Danish leghorns to make a line of legbars? Also, leghorns went to the UK from the US way back when, so to me it shows that the UK went way off on what they're supposed to look like when compared to all the other countries. If you look at it that way, the breeds that went into the legbar should have spread tails based on the country of origin. Since they didn't breed their breeds to have the tails like the country of origin, why should we breed for a pinched tail like they have when the judges I spoke with said they would prefer the spread tail?
Not trying to start an argument or anything, just sharing my point of view on the whole thing.
 
Good to know they are acceptable so far. Mine have yellow legs though, is that acceptable? I noticed Michael's hen does not have yellow legs. What is the standard for that?
Yes, yellow legs and beak are according to the standard of perfection for Cream Legbars.
Here's the SOP
http://www.creamlegbarclub.com/29-draft-standard-of-perfection-revision-2

When a hen has been laying for a while, then her pigment is removed from the legs--it is a really interesting process - the way that works. There is an article in the Cream Legbar Club's Clubhouse - about "the productive hen" and it itemizes how the pigments are lost and replenished in hens...

If you aren't a member , or have trouble locating the article..PM me and I will send a link to the article.
 
Last edited:
7-1/2 lbs...Wow, mine are around 4-1/2 lbs. The APA leghorn has a fanned-out tails, but have you looked at any of the Champion UK Leghorns? Their tail is NOT like the APA leghorn. They have a straight line from the tip of the tail down to the fluff of the hen.

Take a look. http://www.theleghornclub.com/

That is what some people in the UK tell me the Cream Legbar shape should be. This is another point that American Legbar breeders have to consider. Should the APA Cream Legbar have the Tail of an APA Leghorn, or the Tail of the PCGB Leghorn. :)
Would there be an option for neither Leghorn style but a shape that is distinctive for Cream Legbar?

ETA - seems like for health and productivity the non-pinched tail would be a better option.
 
Last edited:
She weighs just under 7.5 lbs. Her tail is too pinched for my taste, I'd like it a little more fanned out.
Now that is a big hen from my point of view...my Cream Legbar roosters here are only 5.5 and 6.5 pounds.... To my surprise one of my Cream Legbar hens tips the scales at 5.5 though....

Size does make a chicken impressive and gives it a presence...someone - was it you? was saying some years back (maybe it was Steen?) that the largest chicken always wins the first place ribbon in any show that they attended.
 
Our little Legbar, Roadie. She looks like a roadrunner so the name stuck. Love her. She lays in an almost empty shavings bag and we don't have the heart to take away her little hideaway.
smile.png


Aww - that is so sweet!
 
The UK style leghorns look nothing like the Livorno (the original leghorns from Italy), the livorno, Dutch bred leghorns, and American bred leghorns all look similar, the UK birds have a pinched tail which is not desirable in any breeds here in the US other than cornish, modern games, and a couple of the other oriental/fighting style breeds. To me, birds with the pinched tails look sickly. While we were closing up at the show, I was able to talk to some old time breeders and judges and we all agreed on the tail issue. 2 of them have been to the big national show in the UK to see the real deal legbars and gave commentary on the whole thing. Plymouth rocks are also supposed to have more of a spread tail too and who knows what the original blue egg laying hen had. If I remember correctly, didn't they use Danish leghorns to make a line of legbars? Also, leghorns went to the UK from the US way back when, so to me it shows that the UK went way off on what they're supposed to look like when compared to all the other countries. If you look at it that way, the breeds that went into the legbar should have spread tails based on the country of origin. Since they didn't breed their breeds to have the tails like the country of origin, why should we breed for a pinched tail like they have when the judges I spoke with said they would prefer the spread tail?
Not trying to start an argument or anything, just sharing my point of view on the whole thing.


Good I am glad to hear that.

The Cream Legbars will be an English Class APA bird and if you compare the Legbar Standard to the APA and PCGB Lehorns standards the Cream Legbar standard follow the PCGB Leghorn standard quite closely while varying greatly from the APA Leghorn standard. The Poultry Historian in the UK that was giving me pointers on the type of the Cream Legbar was very adamant that it follow the UK Leghorn. He felt that anything else would ruin the breed doing it an injustice. I didn't share his views though and was on board with the APA type Leghorn tail, but to be objective I wanted to throw out that some in the UK feel very strongly that since the Cream Legbar is of English origin that its type should be build around and English Leghorn. :)
 
Last edited:
400

400

400


Not the best pics but it gives an idea. The main thing I dislike about her is the tail but, tails are always something I am picky about.


She is nice but looks gold in the hackle. Are you breeding with cream or the more gold tone color in mind? I'd love to have slightly bigger birds but 7+ is a bit bigger than I'd like. DCchickens would love her size. She's a bit too gold for me but I want wider tails on my girls. It always is something.
 
She is nice but looks gold in the hackle. Are you breeding with cream or the more gold tone color in mind? I'd love to have slightly bigger birds but 7+ is a bit bigger than I'd like. DCchickens would love her size. She's a bit too gold for me but I want wider tails on my girls. It always is something.
Big is beautiful. No skinny chickens at my farm. :)
 
Big is beautiful. No skinny chickens at my farm. :)

LOL I love the BIG chickens also. I have 1 cochin and such a soft spot for her, she is so HUGE I love it. Ill tell you all I was hesitant to start CL due to their smaller size since we do cull left over roosters for our freezer but Im enjoying working on them and trying to get them to where they should be is fun. I do plan to cull for size and hope I can get them to the proper weight.

I think the CL were the gateway to skinny chickens for me because I now have Spitzhauben and they are skinnier than the CL but so beautiful and have such a way about them.

How do you all weigh your chickens? I need to invest in some sort of scale.
 
LOL I love the BIG chickens also. I have 1 cochin and such a soft spot for her, she is so HUGE I love it. Ill tell you all I was hesitant to start CL due to their smaller size since we do cull left over roosters for our freezer but Im enjoying working on them and trying to get them to where they should be is fun. I do plan to cull for size and hope I can get them to the proper weight.

I think the CL were the gateway to skinny chickens for me because I now have Spitzhauben and they are skinnier than the CL but so beautiful and have such a way about them.

How do you all weigh your chickens? I need to invest in some sort of scale.
I grab a chicken and both of us step on a scale. Then I subtract my weight. But for some reason, the chickens keep weighing like 200 lbs.
 

New posts New threads Active threads

Back
Top Bottom