The Migratory/Ornamental Waterfowl INFO Thread

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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Yep, no way, it is said that it's something in the two's genetics, pretty much they can breed all they want to, but it is genetically impossible to get a fertile egg from them the two species though hens look similar , are just way too far apart on the genetics side of things for it to work.
MANY have tried over the decades to get it to happen, and like they said, aint one yet.
It's definately something on the mandarin side though. I've seen wood duck crosses to about everything, from teal to eiders, But think about it, have you ever once seen a mandarin hybrid to ANYTHING???

I sure havent, if anyone has, I'd love to see it.

 

[waterdog]

Yep I agree we have had a few different woodie crosses but no mandys, last summer we had a Mandarin drake favoring a Falcated hen and seen them mate a couple of times so I paid special attention when she hatched. She only hatched two and I have them here both drakes and look like full Falcated. We did have one really strange cross this year and that was a Biakal drake and a European widgeon hen.

 

[texascowboy1979]

Unless I missed it, is there a place I can go to find out what permits are needed for what animals / birds. I called the USDA, and I was told I dont need a permit for any of the animals / birds I currently have... but Id hate to miss something somewhere and end up with something that needs a permit. To my knowledge, the only thing that needs a permit is the lemurs and Kangaroos.. but ive already started the paper work and spoken with the rep.

P.S. I normally call Texas Parks and wildlife to see if I need a permit for any animals I have.

The only License I currently have is Commercial Game Bird Breeder License C2.
I had tried to apply for NIP certification, but the guy never called me back. Ive left messages... but nothing. Im sure hes busy and will try again in Feb. Dont wanna call every month and then piss him off.

 

[KansasKid]

Try page 72 on this thread. There is a link to U.S. fish and wildlife and parks and BBB gives a list of the waterfowl that need the federal migratory waterfowl birds sale and disposal permit. http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/mbpermits.html

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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yep, with the waterfowl they are under the U.S.D.I Fish and Wildlife Service, not the U.S.D.A. like livestock and exotic animals are, so in your case, you'd need to check with both offices for the animals and the migratory birds. Also the U.S.D.I. handles all the endangered species like the lemurs you mentioned. You dont have to have an endangered species permit to own them or to sell them in your home state, BUT if you sell them across state lines a U.S.D.I. issued Endangered Species Permit is then required.

As far as N.P.I.P. permits go, again not needed if you sell only in state, but is required for out of state shipping for all birds, chicks or eggs.
here's the Texas e-mail for certification request just in case you have a different one

[email protected]

It's taken off the APHIS NPIP website for public request. Send them an e-mail with what all you have that needs testing and they will forward it to the tester nearest you for an appointment.

In addition, once you get certified, ask them for a list of state requirements. I found this out the hard way. 50% of all states now require you to have their personal state import permits in addiion to being just NPIP to legally ship into their state. Some just require the normal pullorum test for their permits. Others have things like A.I. and M.G. requirements too before you can get the permit. Some need vet health certificates etc etc. The print out they will send you will have each state listed and all their requiements. Without being up on it, you'll do like I did and start getting a bunch of nasty offical letters from various states about it. Fortunately all the state import permits are free, just a little more paper work and another number to remember to put on the box when you ship.

Sounds like a lot of hastle, but not too bad once you get the swing of it.

 

[texascowboy1979]

Thanks..

And as far as record keeping... Do they just want records on what I have, when I got them, when they were born, when Sold, to who sold, how many of what and what sex..

Or do they mean record keeping like,

M - Feed at 8am, water at 8:05 pm
and Recipits for feed and invoices on expense for cages and supplies?

Ect ect

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

no no, the top part.

your annual report is to show
1) what you have on hand currently, males, females, how they are marked, and in what species
2) what you hatched and raised, males, females, mark, and species
3) what died
4) what you transferred to others
5) what you bought

They dont care from who you got them, or who you sold to at this point, just the numbers.
All that is on the individual transfer papers.

you get the form 3-186 transfer papers with your permit. You have to keep your copy of those for your records. At the end of the year, just go threw that for your report, count up what's on that paper work, sex wise, egg wise, etc and the species and you'll have your transfer part of it.
Your production part obviously best match what you have on there for the transfer part, LOL (or has come from your last years stock report)

They basically will compare your mailed in copies against your report (but only if they suspect a problem) for errors. In most cases, the report is just red tape paper work that they like to get and file away. Just keep up with your stock and where it went and there's nothing to it.

This is all basically done to keep track of whats in the US captive population, and to deter people from collection of wild birds.

 

[texascowboy1979]

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Oh... so thats what they mean by records... Then thats a sinch. I do that now with my Parrots, but I use a COmputer program, not paper. I need to make a paper backup incase something happens to my PC Program.

Thanks for all the help.

 

[kangababy]

Question about nesting boxes..

What do you use in the bottom of your nesting boxes? I have heard cedar shavings/chips but I have quail in the pen and that can be deadly for them.. something to do with the cedar getting in their lungs and causes respitory problems

 

[KansasKid]

What about pine shavings? I wonder if that would cause problems to the quail?


P.S. Anyone else notice the explosion of mandarin questions? No offense to anybody, i myself asked the same questions about this time of year last year. I just found it to be curious how myself/and others from last year, and people from this year all want to get into mandarins from a window from mid january till late february.