The Natural Chicken Keeping thread - OTs welcome!

Just curious on the genetics topic.... if I hatch eggs from my G.comet girls covered by a BA... what are my likely offspring?

I am also thinking about getting a Silkie roo to put over my buff cochins, but am not sure what color it should be.... ?

Suggestions? I am really new to all this, and very curious!
 
Just curious on the genetics topic.... if I hatch eggs from my G.comet girls covered by a BA... what are my likely offspring?

I am also thinking about getting a Silkie roo to put over my buff cochins, but am not sure what color it should be.... ?

Suggestions? I am really new to all this, and very curious!

Golden Comets are sex link, but can vary a bit by hatchery as to what their parentage is -- What's your "BA" roo?

If you want more buff Silkies, get a Buff Silkie. Black Silkies will give you mostly black birds, et al.
 
.... I contact the breeder and her response was that I was crazy to believe that hens and chicks will survive in a communal environment and even with rooster, she was mad. Now I still have this girls they did go to molt after their babies and now are starting to lay again. I believed that you could have everybody together, figure if my dad did it with fighting breeds why could i not do it with a more docile breed. Now what should I do ...

That's a sad story.

We have a mixed flock, all hatchery birds, various breeds, roosters mixed in ... different numbers of males at different times ... and we have let our broody hens raise chicks in with the flock. There has been some "curiosity" about the chicks, and a little guarding of food by the older birds, but so far no killings.

What we do when we notice a broody is let her sit on a nest (gathering any eggs she steals frequently because we sell eggs and a half-chick is an unpleasant surprise) until we think she is "serious." Then we move her to a nesting box on the floor of the regular coop, but in a small cage with the clutch of eggs we want her to hatch (all eggs set on the same day so they all hatch at about the same time). This keeps her organized on her own clutch of eggs. We have large dual nesting boxes, and can put a divider down the middle, so we have set up two hens simultaneously in the same small cage (again, all eggs put under the two hens at the same time so they all hatch at about the same time). When we have two hens in the same nest, they do co-parent the chicks, and sometimes one hen is the dominant parent by a lot. But since the hen communicates with the chicks when they are still in the shell, I would think they shouldn't be allowed to switch nests or mix up the incubating eggs ... we keep distinct clutches.

When all the chicks are hatched, we remove the cage but leave the nesting box on the floor of the coop. Then momma is responsible for introducing the chicks to the rest of the flock. Because our coop is 3 long rooms arranged in a line, we use the top room ... the one furthest from the pasture ... as the brooding room ... and it usually takes a while before momma takes the chicks into rooms 2 & 3 and even longer before she takes them all the way outside. This is her choice, but I think they do it this way because it helps the mommas keep track of the tiny chicks before the tiny chicks are fast enough to run away from anybody giving them a hard time.

You might want to figure out a way to help your brooding hens stay "organized" on their own clutch of eggs, and give her a little help protecting the chicks while the babies are still tiny and slow. We have a feeding station for the chicks which the big birds can't get into. Sometimes the chicks hide there. They come out when momma calls them. This likely saves their lives.

From what I've read, aggression could be hereditary. But as there are so many variables in your situation I wouldn't leap to any conclusions.

There are threads here on "old fashioned broody" hatching of chicks. I had a lot of questions when I started letting my hens hatch eggs, and people in that thread offered cool suggestions and support.
 
Black Australope roo
Then you're probably going to get nothing but black chicks out of a Golden Comet - Golden Comets are a hybrid between a pale sort of 'barred' Columbian/white looking hen and a solid red rooster a bit like a New Hampshire or a Rhode Island Red. Their females are solid red and the males are a pale lightly patterned color. If you cross this red hen to a solid black like an Australorp, you're gonna get black chickens. Probably decent layers, though!
 
Jime, every flock is different. I have a pen of Silkies that raises chickc communally with no problem at all. Now that yours have demonstrated that they aren't cooperative, you will have to make some choices. When a hen goes broody you can collect eggs from her every day if the continues to take them, give her golf balls to sit on instead if you want or leave her on an empty nest hoping she will break without too much intervention. If you have one that was a good Mom, let her raise a clutch within sight but separated by some barrier (fence, wire crate, chicken wire, etc.) until you feel fairly sure she can and will keep them safe. Give them an escape hatch - like Leahs Mom did with hers using the fence sections, or build one, that the chicks can fit through and the adults cannot. Put chick feed and a waterer in there, and a wind barrier.

I am sorry the breeder thinks you can't expect them to raise communally. This is probably something residing in that line, so you can select for better parenting skills at the same time you select for type - once you have a hen that raises chicks well and doesn't kill any, use her offspring for your flock going forward.

The only other thing that popped into my head is, do they have adequate space for the number of birds you have? Just wondering if that would influence their behavior.

I am sorry this happened, but it is possible to improve the situation over a couple of generations.
 
I have spoken with professionals at a competition for show chickens called the Harford fair, he stated that if you breed a regulare Barred Rock Bantam with a white Cochin Rooster you have a chance of getting a barred rock Frizzle.

Ooo! Ooo! I want to do that!!!


ETA: Read the following comments; guess I'll just continue taking what I get until I can start breeding one breed purely.
 
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Yeah...you're wondering what I'm wondering too!

Leahs Mom, I think you are right. The change in hormones for brooding and the semi-fast would trigger a "natural" molt.

It all just begs "what is normal" for chickens... to molt in fall? Is it really "natural" or simply the result of how we've manipulated the bloodlines to get less broodiness. Or if we leave the chickens to their own natural genetics, would they brood in spring, molt in late summer, and be fat and sassy by the time of winter cold?

I've noted in my quest for natural winter layers (those who lay well in winter without additional lighting) that a number of breeds that are reported to be good at winter laying are also reported as being frequent or good brooders...the Chantecler for instance.

I would love to read a study if someone has selected for broodiness and found molts to be different. I wonder how the overall health and hardiness of the flock would be. I suspicion overall better and healthier as they would not have the stress of molting during the stress of winter.

Anyway...thanks for kicking around thoughts with me and entertaining my musings.
Lady of McCamley

Thanks, I'm going to keep this in mind for my laying flock, as well as for my heritage breed!
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