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[chick-among-us]

 
  "off the wall"

Lavender and possibly Splash may be accepted at some point in the near future.  Some are working on Mottled and Barred, but there is thought to be a problem getting sufficient shank/foot pigment in these varieties.  Chocolates have pigment, but not slate legs.  Soooooo, getting 5 breeders each with 5 years breeding silkied chocolate/mauves and THEN gathering 50 birds of sufficient quality and paying the several hundred $ cost of an acceptance meet and the needed paperwork qualifies as unlikely to say the least.

She is the only one I know working on mauve silkied ams.... I am Working on LAV AMS AND lav silkied ams....even if something is unlikely to become recognized it doesn't mean she shouldn't do what makes her happy.

 

[EdenCamp]

Suggest away. Until the thread owner has issue with something contained in a post it's simply an individual's opinion and matters little.
Silkied Ameraucanas is what these projects have been called for years. Don't believe anyone is inclined to change it now.
And since splash is technically still technically considered an EE (non accepted color) , hell may well freeze over before silkied variations would be "accepted" as Ameraucanas.
Personally, I expect them to become thier own "breed" in time - As Silkied Ameraucanas - with a whole slew of exciting colors to generate interest, much like Orps.
But that's my opinion and also matters little in this particular forum ......

 

[dak]

Just a reality check. I keep waiting for Lavs to get recognized and it does not seem imminent. Without the go ahead from the "old guard" in the Ameraucana club, I don't think an acceptance meet will happen for any variety. I'm still waiting to see if Jean's position in the club will get Chocolate pushed through though they don't have slate legs. If any of the Silkied breeders have the nerve get on the ABC forum and see what the general tone would be for this "project". If there is no real chance of them getting accepted, I think you are cashing in on a "rare", "novelty" "fad" and the Ameraucana name to drive up the price of pretty EEs. Let the buyer beware.

Just adding that I don't pay anyone else's feed bill. Breed what you want, but if there is no serious plan for acceptance, that generally needs the ABC backing it, then advertised correctly.

 

[Reyvaughn]

This sounds like an Ameraucana / EE fight... a fight that got me removed from the Ameraucana thread. An EE is an Ameraucana cross. An Ameraucana is an Ameraucana. A project is a pure Ameraucana bred to an Ameraucana or a cross that has been bred to meet the SOP but is not approved. Silkied Am is no more Ameraucana than a splash Am. But, it is not an EE because it breeds true and mostly meets SOP in type.

My goodness. Why make a mountain out of a mole hill. Eden has always made it quite clear they were a project. If people don't already know that (because of lack of education - same as jerks on the Ameraucana thread posting pics of their hatchery EEs asking if their "Ameraucana" is show quality and getting their panties in a bunch when they are told they've been duped), then that is their own stupidity.

 

[Phage]

OK folks, lets get back to the auctions that are actually on this thread... Please!!

 

[pips&peeps]

Just a reality check. I keep waiting for Lavs to get recognized and it does not seem imminent. Without the go ahead from the "old guard" in the Ameraucana club, I don't think an acceptance meet will happen for any variety. I'm still waiting to see if Jean's position in the club will get Chocolate pushed through though they don't have slate legs. If any of the Silkied breeders have the nerve get on the ABC forum and see what the general tone would be for this "project". If there is no real chance of them getting accepted, I think you are cashing in on a "rare", "novelty" "fad" and the Ameraucana name to drive up the price of pretty EEs. Let the buyer beware.

Just adding that I don't pay anyone else's feed bill. Breed what you want, but if there is no serious plan for acceptance, that generally needs the ABC backing it, then advertised correctly.

Lavenders have not been set for acceptance yet because they aren't getting shown. Showing is part of the process. I just went over this again at our National during our Club meeting. We are also waiting for the opportune time to present the "lavender" to the APA. There were many people opposed to using that term instead of self blue. The Club does want to get these and the splash variety accepted as soon as we can.

Chocolates, if they ever catch on, could be accepted but they face the same thing as the lavenders. They have to follow the guidelines both the APA and ABA have set forth on getting new varieties accepted. Since there are very few people raising them it may take a long while. Chocolate legs are a chocolate slate color. "Slate" comes in many shades.

With the silkied birds, I don't believe they would ever get accepted. The silkie is a breed and the ameraucana is a breed. Just like showgirls, they are a combination of two "breeds" that are already accepted individually; the silkie and the naked neck. Which breed would they be listed under???? It's not just the breed club that has to promote the new variety, there are committees appointed by the ABA and APA that have to be convinced.

Anyone can breed what they want, but labeling them correctly is greatly appreciated.

 

[Jeansrie]

Some of us in this project....which we always refer to it as anyway...are doing it as much for the preservation of the birds as close to the standard as possible...(for most of us.) as for any real recognition...are you just trying to be rude? If so how come? I have respected your opinion in many instances and have seen your posts several times. Sometimes You can be opinionated and certainly don't mince words...while TECHNICALLY they may be considered EEs because they don't adhere to the SOP....why be nasty about it? Why even bring that up..did someone ask about that? I think some people just like to stir the pot.

And that kind of attitude (not yours) certainly turns off any potential new customers.

 

[Reyvaughn]

With the silkied birds, I don't believe they would ever get accepted. The silkie is a breed and the ameraucana is a breed. Just like showgirls, they are a combination of two "breeds" that are already accepted individually; the silkie and the naked neck. Which breed would they be listed under???? It's not just the breed club that has to promote the new variety, there are committees appointed by the ABA and APA that have to be convinced.

Anyone can breed what they want, but labeling them correctly is greatly appreciated.

Silkied Ams are not crossed with Silkies. As far as I am aware and have read, some actually carry the same genetic mutation and popped up naturally. How would they not get accepted if they are from pure Ams to begin with and breed true? And again, they are not EEs. And they were correctly labled. Someone just got snarky over nothing.

ETA:
It's like me advertising my Wheatens as Ameraucanas when clearly wheatens in Ams came from Faverolles and still do not show the correct coloring! They may be accepted, but they don't fit the color description at all! I guess mine are EEs, too.

 

[Pozees]

Will anyone from the Phoenix, AZ area be posting auctions next week, who is NPIP certified?

 

[chickadoodles]

Will anyone from the Phoenix, AZ area be posting auctions next week, who is NPIP certified?

Pozees, I am under the impression that the state of AZ does not do NPIP they only do AI and Pullorum tests. As I was talking to a lady in AZ that sells turkey. But my NPIP agent told me I could still buy from her, just put the birds in quarantine and call him to come test the birds.