yeah, i tried one about a mile from the house that had taken over the business from his father, my opinion, hes a crook, i think he switched my beef for another, was suppose to give me my bones, liver, heart & tongue, he had my directions on how i wanted it cut and how i wanted packed per pound, nothing was what i wanted, when i asked about my bones, i got a box of someone elses box, with name on it, also toughest meat i've had in my life, my beef was young so should have been tender, to this day i will tell anyone i think hes a crook