The Old Folks Home

Quote: Quote: When I was growing up we lived in the city of St. Louis but we had a hundred acre farm about 100 miles south of here. There we raised cattle, hogs, horses and pheasant. We also did hay, corn and a big garden for sprawling things like melons and pumpkins. In the suburbs of St. Louis in what is now Black Jack, my dad's family also had a 40 acre truck farm that my grandfather, father and uncles operated just a mile up the road from where I live now. That's where we raised all the chickens.
My grandfather stowed away on a boat from Germany and learned about a community of Germans living north of St. Louis, so after jumping ship he made his way here. He worked as a farm hand until he made enough to buy that farm that was being sold for back taxes. That was in the 1880s. The house was a small log cabin built in the 1830s. He added on to the house and it is now a restaurant with the original log cabin still being the core of the building. They let me take people on tours. The restaurant's bar is in what used to be the 'summer kitchen' where they canned produce, processed animals and made sausage. Under the summer kitchen there is a fruit cellar and under the fruit cellar is an ice cellar. The whole community cut their ice for the summer out of my grandfather's pond. My family would fill the ice cellar during the winter and everyday through the rest of the year they would pull a block of ice and put it in the ice box. (yes, that's why some people still call a refrigerator an ice box)
After I got out of the army, I couldn't afford an apartment so I built a loft in the old 'summer kitchen'. I had a wood stove and a tub. The outhouse was just around back.
Every one of my family except my father died in that house. Restaurant workers frequently reported ghostly encounters there. A couple years ago, as the only living person in the area that knew the history, I participated in one of those ghost hunter shows at the house. I remember sitting on the steps leading from the children's bedrooms to the attic of the log cabin where they played. I was holding one of those EMF sensors that ghost hunters use. I started talking to the spirits of my uncles and aunt. The more personal my comments were, the more crazy the monitor got till it was just beeping like mad. I was up all night and I was worried because the next day, I tried out to be on 'Who Wants to be a Millionaire'. I passed all the tests but by the end of the day, when it came time for the personal interview, I was so tired I must have seemed like too much of a dud to be TV material. I was probably a little too weird too. After all, I told them I was up all night as the subject matter expert on a ghost hunter episode. The raw paleo diet thing probably wouldn't have benefited their junk food sponsors either. - Oh, so many reasons not to choose me!

When my dad and uncles were growing up, the boys would work the farm and my grandfather would take the fruits and vegetables by horse drawn wagon to 'Produce Row' in north St. Louis. That's exactly 12 miles one way and he did that every day when there was produce to sell. The horses knew the way home so he would sleep and wake up when the horses stopped in the driveway. They had a greenhouse, eight 5X20 concrete hotbeds, peach, apple and pear orchards, 2,000 tomato plants every year as well as peas, beans, squash, peppers, potatoes, corn, onions and grapes were the primary crops. Oh, and with 100 leghorns, they sold lots of eggs. The chicken houses were in a wedge between the peach orchard and vineyard so would forage the orchards all day. My dad's primary job year round was tomatoes. Even years later when most of the farm was sold for a subdivision we still had a 2 acre garden. About 1/8 acre was in rhubarb and had been growing in the same place for over 100 years. When my wife was pregnant with our daughter (our first child), we were living in the old log cabin part of the house. I decided to put in a huge garden and planted close to an acre of lettuces, tomatoes, peppers, chilies and a few other vegetables to sell. I was working 10 hours a day and knew I wouldn't have time to tend it so I laid newspaper covered by horse manure mixed with a lot of straw. I laid soaker hoses between rows and only had to water once a week since my 'mulch' kept water in. That happened to be one of the hottest, driest summers we had. Several people nearby had big gardens and would sell tomatoes and other vegetables. I was the only one with tomatoes that year. Every morning before it got hot, my wife would go out and pick veggies, put them on the harvest table I would set out before work with a scale, a stack of bags, price labels and a cigar box for money - honor system. She'd then go back inside to sit in the air conditioning (daughter was born in late august so she was always hot). When I'd get home, I'd put everything back in the garage and collect the money. One day there was no money in the box. I shrugged and thought, "it was bound to happen that I'd get ripped off". When I picked everything off the table, all the money was sitting under the cigar box. I guess someone put it under there because there was so much, they thought someone would take it. I never once had a penny or a tomato missing that I'm aware of.

My grandfather was part of the St. Louis Fruit and Produce Association. Produce Row predates the civil war and was primarily to supply grocers, restaurants and confectioners. It started on the Mississippi riverfront where both merchants would bring produce by river or buyers would purchase and take away by river. To this day, Produce Row is a $100,000,000 business. It employs 1200 people and 1500 buyers a day come to the Market from as far North as Iowa, the West to Jefferson City and Columbia, the South to Cape Girardeau and the East to Indianapolis, Indiana.

My grandfather was also the community's leather smith and cobbler making harnesses, saddles, shoes, boots and the like. At his leather shop, which still exists, there were 3 huge black jack oak trees where travelers would rest. Those oaks on his property were how the town got its name- Black Jack, MO.

When I had to fight city hall a couple years ago for the right to keep chickens, among my arguments I reminded city council and the Mayor that Black Jack became a city in 1970 and my family had been raising chickens in Black Jack since 1870 (ok, I stretched the truth by a few years but it made for good courtroom drama to the sold out house)












Interesting history there CC. I am from MO also, but the other side. KCMO. We really never heard much history about the St Louis area in school curriculum. Even though Kansas City was in to teaching their school children about the Sante Fe Trail, Old Westport, etc.
 
Have to ask, anyone ever hear a chick that was just hatched a couple of days ago ... crow?!

I couldn't believe it. I had heard that some have heard a chick crow early. I had gone into the room to look at them..they hatched yesterday and today. I was looking down, then started talking out loud to my DH out the door..as he was heading to bed. All of a sudden I hear..urrr a urrrrr..What? This little chick was stretched up on it's feet, and it's neck stretched out long, and then this little scream. No other chick was touching it..I'm glad I was looking down..I know which one it was. Will have to try going in when the house has been quiet again, and try talking out loud again. I have been talking softly to them..but then like I said, talked loud out the door to my hubby. I couldn't believe it. Had to look up earliest crow. Sure enough, there was one that was on day 4. This would be almost 2 days old. What a funny little scream, I can still hear it.
I think I remember Chookschick during one of the hatch along's saying she had one that crowed very young
 

I lived in the Westport/Plaza area for a while in the 80s.

I also lived in Liberty and Lees Summit in the 2000s.
I was working at FOMOCO the last time and took Amtrak home every weekend. I had a truck sitting at the Kirkwood MO train station and a car sitting at the Liberty train station. Free parking at both ends and I could sleep the whole way. People complained about how long the train ride was but since I was getting my sleep, I didn't care as long as I made it to work Monday morning.
 
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Have to ask, anyone ever hear a chick that was just hatched a couple of days ago ... crow?!

I couldn't believe it. I had heard that some have heard a chick crow early. I had gone into the room to look at them..they hatched yesterday and today. I was looking down, then started talking out loud to my DH out the door..as he was heading to bed. All of a sudden I hear..urrr a urrrrr..What? This little chick was stretched up on it's feet, and it's neck stretched out long, and then this little scream. No other chick was touching it..I'm glad I was looking down..I know which one it was. Will have to try going in when the house has been quiet again, and try talking out loud again. I have been talking softly to them..but then like I said, talked loud out the door to my hubby. I couldn't believe it. Had to look up earliest crow. Sure enough, there was one that was on day 4. This would be almost 2 days old. What a funny little scream, I can still hear it.

Yup - had one crow within the first week in one of the hatches I had. I was shocked. I was in the basement for something and heard this mournful noise, couldn't figure what it could be. Heard it again and again... finally realized it was coming from the brooder. This little yellow chick was stretching his neck up and attempting to crow. I can't say that it sounded like a crow, but it was distinctly a chick trying to crow.

He stopped after a few days and didn't start back up until much later.
 
Yup - had one crow within the first week in one of the hatches I had. I was shocked. I was in the basement for something and heard this mournful noise, couldn't figure what it could be. Heard it again and again... finally realized it was coming from the brooder. This little yellow chick was stretching his neck up and attempting to crow. I can't say that it sounded like a crow, but it was distinctly a chick trying to crow.

He stopped after a few days and didn't start back up until much later.

It was happy chooks:

Check out "Little crower" on Vimeo
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Post here:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/799145/when-will-a-rooster-start-crowing/10

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My Aunt in Wetumpka had a big old fig tree. You have to be careful when chasing cousins around those things - figs are slippery! We would have chinaberry wars where we would hang out in these chinaberry trees and on the roofs and throw the berries at each other...kinda like paintball, but not. They sting, too! It's a wonder we didn't break our necks.

We made pop guns out of Elder. There is pith in the center of the stalk. When you push the pith out it makes a barrel just right for chinaberries. We whittled a staff that would fit the barrel, about an inch shorter. We pressed one in and then we pushed one behind it really fast and the compressed air fired the first one out with a loud pop. We then had popgun wars after promising mom we wouldn't shoot at each other.
 
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He did it again, first thing this morning. Wish I knew how to post a video. :/ I was watching as I started talking out loud, same chick, must not like the sound of my voice. :/ lol....

ron..that video is almost how it sounded..but this chick really was much more loud. And a longer drawn out one. Too funny that they will make that noise. Did you hear that rooster crowing in the back ground of the video..I think he was responding to that. Maybe. ? :)
 
Quote: I had a rooster that showed no leg issues, but every boys from his pen had curled toes. Culled that rooster and all toe issues disappeared.

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You are very inspiring oz.

Good for you Oz. I really admire what you're dong. I think I was the first to respond when you started a thread asking if you were crazy for wanting to bring different breeds to the Philippines.

I've been the only gardener, chicken keeper (or any other outdoor activity here forever. I think I'm going to have at least one apprentice this spring/summer. Even If I only have one, that will allow me time to do infrastructure and construction improvements. I think I'll advertise for a few others. I'm jazzed for spring.
I'm sure you can give us some tips on gardening this year!!

Tonight's low temperature is supposed to be about 20o F (which is very cold for here). It's 9:30, and already the temperature has fallen to about 14o. I feel like we're playing a game of thermometer limbo - "how low can it go?!"
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Sometimes I feel like Hubby and I are "cheating." We have a greenhouse that he built to grow poinsettias in. When the points are done, we have started taking advantage of the space to grow veg. In the last week, we have eaten spinach, Swiss chard, lettuce, tomatoes, bell peppers, summer squash, and lemons that we grew out there. Not a bad harvest for January!
Not cheating--fruggle. Use what you have, And all those vegies keep you healthy!!

Oz is right. A lot of us grew up with parents who scoffed at the idea they might have to grow their own food. In my family I'm the only throwback. My son is one of few in his class who know how to plant a tree, weed vegetable beds, plant a lawn, and lots of other things he thought were stupid at the time. Now when I go up to have lunch with him, if he sees my gardening gloves in the car he gets all misty-eyed and nostalgic. It's adorable.

But I am off on a tangent. My point was, many people at varying stages of life would really like to know how to start a vegetable garden, how to select plants, which ones need cages, when to fertilize, which plants don't like water on their leaves, etc.

I learn new things every year as much from trial and failure as anything else, but that's partly because where I live isn't a typical growing environment. One year I was having the most success I had ever had in a vegetable garden ... until June 13th, when we had the mother of all hail storms. It lasted 30 minutes. My garden looked like a nuclear wasteland. No one had tomato plants left, but one lady at my favorite little store in town said, "Don't dig them up, just leave them alone, and keep watering them. They might come back, tomatoes can surprise you." She was right. I didn't have the fabulous harvest I had been looking forward to, but I did have a harvest.

One voice of experience is more valuable than all the internet reading, and even book reading, you can do. Even if you don't charge for the instruction you can probably get more than just one helper by offering some learn-by-doing. There's a lady north and east of me who charges $50 to teach people how to process their own chickens - and gets all her chickens processed in a day. Seems like participants get to take home one chicken. People go.
My mother loved gardening and grew wonderful things not in the grocery: chives, sorrel, sweet 100 tomatos, tomatillos etc. Gads, she made us eat nastersium( spelling off ) flowers-- peppery.

I couldn't remember all she had taught me, but took what I could remember and jumped in. We make lots of mistakes, but learn from them, and my kids are then also learning to garden-- and harvest !! THat they love-- to go to the garden to find something to munch on!!




So is the amount of wood we've burned in the last few weeks.
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Fortunately, we have a deal with a guy that has a tree removal service - we get free firewood, he gets free disposal.
We are burning a lot more than usual too, some wood is buring better than other, and I am up at night restokeing the stove. House fell to 50. Kids have on hats in the house. lol

Quote: Have a great trip together!!!

Quote: LOVED hearing your family history-- thank you for fighting to kep chickens!!
 
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