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[Bunnylady]

Quote: I'm foreseeing some problems... "Hello doctor, I'm a gay man suffering from erectile dysfunction."
". . . and I'm just sick of it."

Doctor (in Yoda voice) "You will be."

 

[superchemicalgirl]

Idk linda... but naked necks and emus wig me out. Oh and my neighbor has a turkey with a blue face that is also pretty crazy looking. Its coop is a 1977 ford bronco. Must be the anti theft package cause it doesnt have wheels or an engine. Nor a top. Im going to get a pic of him perched on the roll bars if i can

I want an emu very badly. Who doesn't love that face?

I'm pretty sure you can't purchase ipecac anymore in the states.

 

[Bunnylady]

I'm pretty sure you can't purchase ipecac anymore in the states.

Don't know about now, but 10 years ago you could - I still have a little bottle in the cabinet from an incident when my daughter was a toddler (gee, has it really been that long? It seems like yesterday).

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Garlic "seed"? are we talking about the same plant? I've grown garlic for most of 20 years as a cash crop (my own strain of German Porcelain) and never heard of starting garlic from seed.

Though starting from cloves (asexual reproduction) is the tried and true method of growing garlic, it can also be grown from both bulbils and true seed.
The feed store by my house sells bulbils for planting and I harvest my own for planting.
IMHO, planting a perfectly good clove is a waste of good food.
It's true that growing from seed and bulbils requires lots of patience and a bit of faith but so does growing asparagus, berries and fruit.

http://www.organicgarlicbc.com/Organic_Garlic_BC/How_To_Grow_Garlic_From_Bulbils.html

Here is the last post on the subject


#10792 of 10800
07/25/14
ozexpat
Platinum Poultry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penny Hen View Post


The link was actually to using a Vitamin C dip. I decided to substitute vinegar. Here are some of the links to this:

http://www.epsaegypt.com/pdf/2011_june/15- 1271.pdf This link is about dipping the eggs in Vitamin C.
http://www.arsveterinaria.org.br/index.php/ars/article/viewFile/515/857 This link is about injecting the eggs with the Vitamin C.
http://ejfa.info/index.php/ejfa/article/viewFile/12010/6146 This was about injecting Vitamins C and E in Muscovy eggs.
http://www.agriculturejournals.cz/publicFiles/84953.pdf This is about feeding Vitamin C and selenium to layer hens.
http://cabdirect.org/abstracts/20113110385.html;jsessionid=A7661977F1DF4BF48A62DCF1EB514283 This one compares dipping and spraying the eggs with Vitamin C.

When you read these you will find that the Vitamin C is doing more than getting the eggs clean. Significant weight gains and food conversion is noted in the young animals. I was substituting vinegar because my main goal was to stop bacteria. I knew that if the eggs in the studies stood up to 5% acidity of the Vitamin C then they could take the same level of acidity from the vinegar. I also knew that that level of acidity would kill most of the bacterias out there.

In the future I would like to do a comparitive study between regular vinegar and ACV. I would also like to compare Vitamin C with vinegar both on hatchability and in weight gains and food conversion. First though I need a reliable incubator that won't muddle the data by killing my eggs. So that is my first goal.


My response


Fascinating stuff. I love reading research articles. I spent most of my adult life promoting evidence based healthcare in the cardiology sector. A long way from chickens. Since I became an incubator addict, I dove right into research of chickens. I have read hundreds and hundreds of full print articles. Thanks for these links.


So here is my take on the research.

All the articles are looking at Ascorbic Acid (AA) as a nutrient rather than a cleaner. The first article shows statistically significant improvement of hatchability by dipping eggs in a solution of 5g AA per Liter and 10g AA per Liter pre setting. The final article looks at dipping or spraying with AA in concentrations of 20g/L and 30g/L respectively buy in the latter part of a Muscovy Duck egg hatch

5g AA/L = (weight of solute/volume of solutionx100) 5g/1000mlx100= 0.5% AA solution
10g AA/L = 1.0% AA solution

The concentration of AA is significantly less than 5%.

The results are quite interesting. A 3.6% increase in hatchability is significant for me - My goal is to get up to 1000 chicks per week so 36 chicks is another employee's salary. Its $150/kg of 100% Ascorbic Acid on ebay. A little goes a long way.

There is nothing in the research that discusses Ascorbic Acid as an egg cleaner/sanitizer.

I googled acids as egg cleaners.

Manna Pro Egg Cleanser contains (In order of concentration) Water, Yeast, Citric Acid and Potassium Sorbate. As Citric Acid is third on the list, mathematically it can not be greater than 33% solution.
The instructions advise to use 2 caps in a fallon of water. Presuming a cap is 1/2 an Oz and there are 128 Oz in a gallon - the final solution is 0.4% Manna Pro Egg Cleanser and at a maximum possible citric acid concentration of 0.13%.

I could find nothing on Acetic Acid as an egg cleaner. Vinegar at 5% Acetic Acid is very corrosive. I would strongly recommend not using it - especially at full concentration but look forward to your research either way.

Cheers

I have to get some AA online. The only stuff I can find at drug stores has sugar as the main ingredient. Nothing I want to soak a fertile egg in.

I'm foreseeing some problems... "Hello doctor, I'm a gay man suffering from erectile dysfunction."

So Michele Bachmann's husband was right? You can pray it away?

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/iz7qq8/national-french-fry-day

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Don't know about now, but 10 years ago you could - I still have a little bottle in the cabinet from an incident when my daughter was a toddler (gee, has it really been that long? It seems like yesterday).

The salt water thing works like a charm. If for some reason one needs to regurgitate, a glug of warm very salty water is instantaneous. It's cheap and as long as it works, it isn't poisonous.

 

[superchemicalgirl]

Don't know about now, but 10 years ago you could - I still have a little bottle in the cabinet from an incident when my daughter was a toddler (gee, has it really been that long? It seems like yesterday).

To the best of my recollection it was pulled off the market in 2007. It was no longer recommended for any poisonings by either the American Academy of Pediatrics or Poison Control Centers. Its use was found to not make any difference in outcomes for the better in patients, and often made outcomes worse. I can't find an article saying it's been pulled off the market, but my pharmacy wholesaler doesn't have it listed as something I could buy, either.

 

[vehve]

I'm foreseeing some problems... "Hello doctor, I'm a gay man suffering from erectile dysfunction."

So Michele Bachmann's husband was right? You can pray it away?

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/iz7qq8/national-french-fry-day
Silly geographical restrictions stop me from watching that, and I'm too lazy to enable a proxy right now.

I'm sure prayer works for that as well as for any other things.

 

[vehve]

Quote: That is one adorable emu. Until it attacks you. Those things grow huge.

*Edit* I thought baby ducks where the cutest young birds, until I saw a picture of an ostrich chick. Adorable.

 

[superchemicalgirl]

There is a "local" dairy here that still sells milk in glass bottles. To help increase their "brand" they also have a large "farm" that you can visit with play toys for the kids. It's a really neat place to visit. They also solicit for ideas for new animals, and I kept recommending emu. It took about a year, but they finally got a pair. I'm so glad they did so I can get my emu fix when I go down and return my bottles every few months.

 

[vehve]

There is a "local" dairy here that still sells milk in glass bottles. To help increase their "brand" they also have a large "farm" that you can visit with play toys for the kids. It's a really neat place to visit. They also solicit for ideas for new animals, and I kept recommending emu. It took about a year, but they finally got a pair. I'm so glad they did so I can get my emu fix when I go down and return my bottles every few months.

Those kinds of places are nice. In Helsinki, the university keeps dairy cows, only a few kilometers from the center of the city. We used to live there, it was nice to look at the cows on dog walks. No emus though. There are some ostrich farms in Finland though, but they mainly produce meat. It's interesting, it's pretty similar to reindeer meat in some dishes actually.