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[ChickenCanoe]

You know, this really ticks me off. Don't let someone else's opinion of your birds make you feel they are not worth your pride. Everyone places the worth of their birds based on what they want. Some value them for their companionship and think a flighty breed is worthless. Some want top production and plenty of meat on a carcas. They have no use for a bantam. Others want to aim for perfection based on the standard, but ignore utility. To each his own. I don't mind anyone thinking highly of one set and less of another, until they start making someone, like our Dude, feel embarrassed about what is close to his heart. Would they run down someone's child? Or drawing? Or cooking? Or car? Or house? Probably, but if so, they are not the ones whose opinions I will put stock in. He's a lovely bird, Dude, even if he is not like a picture in a book. Different is not bad, unless the same is what you want.

Well said.

It is just my opinion but I'm not really impressed by the overly large show birds. Though they may be pretty and impressive, I think the trend in shows is for birds that are larger than the SOP. If anyone really cares one way or the other, I think they should strive for the original SOP, not some version of it that is 3 pounds heavier.

The thread starter for the FF thread has not posted at all on BYC since June 17.

There are a lot of threads where the same question is asked over and over. Most of the answers are in the first couple of pages though.

Fermented Feed seems to be one of those things that create a lot of passion. I tried it but did not like it at all.

I don't think FF works very well if it is too hot. Below freezing is a no-no also.

I do like it though as I use SOOO much less feed. I think the nutrition is better too, not because the ferment is supposed to improve vitamin content but because the fines are bound up in the feed and get consumed. Besides the grains and legumes, most of the ingredients in feed are in the form of powders - or more definitively - dust. The fines in the bottom of a feeder that the chickens ignore are where the added vitamins and minerals are located that are added in the mill to make it a complete feed. The pellets and crumbles contain all the goodies but between transit and pouring from container to container, inevitably some of the finer particles break off.
I also think it depends on the feed one uses. When I use something like Purina Start & Grow, I'm not really happy with the result. I mostly use a 16% organic grower that is very coarsely ground. I don't like feeding it dry but as a fermented feed, the consistency is awesome. The birds don't waste any and the fines are completely consumed.

 

[LindaB220]

Dragonfly I feel the same way about Robin's death as well. I feel like he has been a part of "our" family since he first showed up on Happy Days in a cameo as Mork. That is where Mork and Mindy spun off from. I feel like I have lost a dear relative even though I only knew him from his performances. I knew he had addiction to drugs and alcohol in the past but I did not know he had depression problems. It is so sad to know that a man who could make the whole world laugh with him was so lost inside. We still have a long way to go to truly help people with depression that is so debilitating. I have seen so many fond remembrances on the internet and I am really hoping they help ease some of the pain for his family. Sad day....

Yes, I totally remember that. Depression is no joke. My gson (whom I live with) has depression, along with psycological disorders. (Standing on Tx state bldg with a gun type disorders. So, we keep him in a bubble. He's 20 and was immediately approved for SSI, which shows the type of documentation Aimee had for him. He is now happy, can drive, has a new car and goes out to eat everyday. No worries. Still he thinks of suicide daily. Aimee's older sister Jenny is very judgmental about this and said some very cruel things about him and hurt Aimee so bad that he now threatens to kill Jenny if she ever comes to our place. And he's serious. So my oldest DD cannot come to see me unless I meet her in town for a couple of hours. She lives 6 hrs away in Austin. She thought that everything could be smoothed over and back to normal. Uh uh. I told her that there is always consequences for your actions and her cruel words to Aimee had lasting effect. Sad.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Speaking of Robin Williams, my favorite movies of his are Good Morning Vietnam, Mrs. Doubtfire, Cadillac Man, The Birdcage, One Hour Photo and Patch Adams.
Others favs?
His guest appearance on Carson's, Tonight Show was a must see.

 

[dsqard]

You know, this really ticks me off. Don't let someone else's opinion of your birds make you feel they are not worth your pride. Everyone places the worth of their birds based on what they want. Some value them for their companionship and think a flighty breed is worthless. Some want top production and plenty of meat on a carcas. They have no use for a bantam. Others want to aim for perfection based on the standard, but ignore utility. To each his own. I don't mind anyone thinking highly of one set and less of another, until they start making someone, like our Dude, feel embarrassed about what is close to his heart. Would they run down someone's child? Or drawing? Or cooking? Or car? Or house? Probably, but if so, they are not the ones whose opinions I will put stock in. He's a lovely bird, Dude, even if he is not like a picture in a book. Different is not bad, unless the same is what you want.

I couldn't agree more Wisher. I stopped visiting any "pure breed" thread because of some poster's attitude about their "prized" chickens. While I highly respect people working on breed standards and teaching others about those standards, people looking down their "noses" at other people's chickens because they are from a hatchery is silly. In the end, they are JUST CHICKENS! My best layers are hatchery birds. The birds with the most issues I have came from breeder stock. I am not saying breeders are bad either, just saying sometimes diversity helps the gene pool. OK nuff said on that matter.

 

[dsqard]

Speaking of Robin Williams, my favorite movies of his are Good Morning Vietnam, Mrs. Doubtfire, Cadillac Man, The Birdcage, One Hour Photo and Patch Adams.
Others favs?
His guest appearance on Carson's, Tonight Show was a must see.

I completely remember that appearance. One of my favs! He said he was going to sell "personal products" door to door now that Mork and Mindy was cancelled. I had tears streaming down my cheeks during the dinner scene in Birdcage.

 

[Lacy Blues]

Me, I wanna look like a really buff Gerard, wearing mountain man plaid and Carhartts.

I thought you were a woman?

Good point.

There was a study recently that asked people if a group of young black men in hoodies was walking down the street, would the person cross to the other side of the street.
Most people both black and white said they would.

In most cases, I would as well. Only because of an earned reputation. I don't judge a person by their color but a lot of persons have a tendency to be extremely violent for no cause, particularly when in a group of similar peers. It's a shame that it has come to such but I have friends in most color brackets (I don't know all color groups as they are not where I have lived/worked) and I'm not racist at all. However, I do have a healthy fear of thugs, whatever their color.

It starts with N

I thought so. The word is niggArD. niggard. If people aren't really listening, they won't hear the "a" nor the "d" on the end.

Fermented Feed seems to be one of those things that create a lot of passion. I tried it but did not like it at all.

Ron, I have no doubt that you didn't like it. It was supposed to be for your chickens!

 

[Lacy Blues]

My cockerel did not make it, it passed last night. my DH looked it over good and found a puncture on it's neck which would explain the gurgling sounds I guess. I wonder if one of my other roosters got to rough with him or what.

Perhaps, if you have wire anywhere in your pens, check for any protrusions that might puncture him... anyplace he could put his head through or jump up and hit.

 

[bamadude]

My brahmas really are ugly. I saw a show quality brahma a few weeks ago. Looks like totally different breed than the ones I have. I wish mine looked as cool as the sq. I think I paid $10 for mine so Im ok with them for now. Their eggs are delicious

 

[Ol Grey Mare]

I do like it though as I use SOOO much less feed. I think the nutrition is better too, not because the ferment is supposed to improve vitamin content but because the fines are bound up in the feed and get consumed. Besides the grains and legumes, most of the ingredients in feed are in the form of powders - or more definitively - dust. The fines in the bottom of a feeder that the chickens ignore are where the added vitamins and minerals are located that are added in the mill to make it a complete feed. The pellets and crumbles contain all the goodies but between transit and pouring from container to container, inevitably some of the finer particles break off.
I also think it depends on the feed one uses. When I use something like Purina Start & Grow, I'm not really happy with the result. I mostly use a 16% organic grower that is very coarsely ground. I don't like feeding it dry but as a fermented feed, the consistency is awesome. The birds don't waste any and the fines are completely consumed.

With that in mind, would it not then be just as beneficial to feed "wetted" rather than going through the process of doing the ferment? I am familiar with soaking feeds for horses (for various reasons), so am wondering if that would be an option to get the benefits you listed above from poultry feeds vs. doing the actual FF process

 

[vehve]

Speaking of Robin Williams, my favorite movies of his are Good Morning Vietnam, Mrs. Doubtfire, Cadillac Man, The Birdcage, One Hour Photo and Patch Adams.
Others favs?
His guest appearance on Carson's, Tonight Show was a must see.

You just caused me to stumble around youtube for half an hour. He was pretty good there, then I moved on to some other videos and found one with Arnold Schwarzenegger promoting a "Weight training for women" book. I must say, the way they talked about women on the show was quite different from today, and I was shocked to see how rudely Johnny interrupted his female guest.