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My guineas have zero interest. There's only a handful of the chicken flock that are interested, and they're VERY interested.
I dusted my chickens with Sevin the day before yesterday. They had already laid their egg for that day, and had knocked most of the dust off by the time they laid the next day. Should I lightly rinse the eggs off, and set them, or not? There was no visible dust in the nest box, or on the eggs, so I'm not concerned at all about eating them. I just don't know about hatching them.
A quick peak into sevin suggests that it has mutagens in it. Also, the thought is that sevin is not effective because of over use. UCD says it does not work on mites or lice in parts of California.
wait seven days and begin collecting eggs.
look into using spinosad.
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They'll be fine.
Alaska, are you anywhere near Wasilla?
Alaska, are you anywhere near Wasilla?
Mutagens!!!
Hotdogs contain over 200 pesticides including mutagens and neurotoxins and promote liver cancer in laboratory rats.....rub the chickens with hotdogs...Lol!
Just learned something about nitrites and nitrates, I'd like to avoid them, but I make my own smoked meats, corned venison roasts and venison pastrami, hotdogs, bologna, venison cured hard sausages...etc... just not the same without the pink cure.
"When it comes to food, vegetables are the primary source of nitrites. On average, about 93% of nitrites we get from food come from vegetables. It may shock you to learn that one serving of arugula, two servings of butter lettuce, and four servings of celery or beets all have more nitrite than 467 hot dogs. And your own saliva has more nitrites than all of them! So before you eliminate cured meats from your diet, you might want to address your celery intake. And try not to swallow so frequently." http://chriskresser.com/the-nitrate-and-nitrite-myth-another-reason-not-to-fear-bacon/
I guess nitrite free hotdogs contain celery juice, guess they ain't nitrite free are they? ...
I personally would not use sevin dust on chickens, I don't even want to use it in my garden. Some people swear by it though, I think casportpony does?
Don't know what I would resort to in a bug infestation situation, probably would use Sevin, my birds never have creepy crawlies, no DE, no Sevin, just deep litter and some wood ashes for dust baths, must prevent? Or maybe just been lucky for many yrs? Maybe the azz freezzing cold most winters?
My dogs don't get fleas or ticks either,?? had some ticks on us in the last couple yrs, had one crawling through my youngest's hair a week ago, got it out before it bit, not cool....
I don't overuse it, however, it wasn't for mites. After this last rain, I was seeing quite a few Stick-tight fleas, and wanted to make sure the birds were treated, and outside around the coop was treated. I normally put a bit of Vasoline, or A&D ointment on combs, wattles, and legs every 2-3 days, and that tends to keep them free of them, but this past week I've noticed an increase, even though I was putting the Vasoline on them. I cleaned everything in the coop with Dawn Blue dish liquid, mixed about like for washing dishes, and used a 2 gallon sprayer to apply. I rinse the soap out of feed, water dishes, and nest boxes, but I don't rinse the roosts, and wood each time, just let it dry. This is usually very effective at keeping almost everything well under control, especially when done on a regular basis. It's not as effective on fleas, ticks, and stick-tight fleas, which is not usually a problem, but here in Florida we do get years that conditions are right to produce bumper crops of them.
In the meantime, since I posted, I did more research, and found what I consider to be a credible source of information.
Cornell University completed a 10 year study in 1993 on the effects of Carbaryl, which is the active ingredient in Sevin dust, the inactive ingredient is DE powder, so the biggest threat is inhalation, and a few other harmful effects known to be associated with the DE powder. I believe it was done back when they sold Sevin 10, and now you can only get Sevin 5. Upon reading, you will find that they tested mostly on lab rats, and pigs at a higher dosage, (high levels for 50 straight days) and higher exposure than any of us would experience in 3 lifetimes, unless we worked in one of the manufacturing plants, and were continuously exposed to it in a 100% pure form for a long time, so I'm not overly concerned about toxicity.
Like Ron said, it has a very slight mutagenic effect on it's own, but the mutagenic effect is greatly increased with the addition of nitrite, a food preservative, creating Nitrosocarbaryl. If I fed bacon to my chickens, I'd be a lot more concerned.
Since it appears that about 75% would leave their systems through normal elimination within a 3 day period, if my chickens might have ingested some (no, I didn't feed any to them) I think a week would be sufficient withdrawal time, and from now on I will wait a week before eating, or collecting eggs to hatch after dusting with Sevin dust.
http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/carbaryl-ext.html
In the meantime, since I posted, I did more research, and found what I consider to be a credible source of information.
Cornell University completed a 10 year study in 1993 on the effects of Carbaryl, which is the active ingredient in Sevin dust, the inactive ingredient is DE powder, so the biggest threat is inhalation, and a few other harmful effects known to be associated with the DE powder. I believe it was done back when they sold Sevin 10, and now you can only get Sevin 5. Upon reading, you will find that they tested mostly on lab rats, and pigs at a higher dosage, (high levels for 50 straight days) and higher exposure than any of us would experience in 3 lifetimes, unless we worked in one of the manufacturing plants, and were continuously exposed to it in a 100% pure form for a long time, so I'm not overly concerned about toxicity.
Like Ron said, it has a very slight mutagenic effect on it's own, but the mutagenic effect is greatly increased with the addition of nitrite, a food preservative, creating Nitrosocarbaryl. If I fed bacon to my chickens, I'd be a lot more concerned.
Since it appears that about 75% would leave their systems through normal elimination within a 3 day period, if my chickens might have ingested some (no, I didn't feed any to them) I think a week would be sufficient withdrawal time, and from now on I will wait a week before eating, or collecting eggs to hatch after dusting with Sevin dust.
http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/carbaryl-ext.html
Beer Can, you are right about celery. There were a couple places advertising nitrite/nitrate free cured hams, and bacon, but they used dried ground celery, and salt. The celery contains high amounts of nitrite, so the nitrite/nitrate free advertising, while legal, is very misleading, and totally bogus.
Some of what I'm trying to convey is perspective. Back in the olden days, most large pools were chlorinated using the gaseous form of chlorine, delivered in tanks. Chlorine gas is the purest form, dangerous, and can be deadly. They had just delivered new tanks, and my dad went out to change them. One of the tanks had a broken valve, and he got 1 good whiff of the gas before he realized what had happened, held his breath, and ran out of the pool pump house. He was rushed to the hospital by ambulance, and stayed for 3 days. He was lucky. In the plants that workers turn the gas into liquid, and tablet forms, when there is an accident, there are usually a high number of fatalities.
Far too many people reading something like this tend to overreact as it pertains to their situation. "Oh my gosh, I didn't know it was so dangerous, so I'll never buy another bottle of Clorox again, or anything containing bleach, because I don't want to risk any harm to me, or my family." The media doesn't help. They will go on, and on about how dangerous chlorine is, and it causes cancer. What they fail to mention is that the gas is 100% chlorine, while household bleach is 6% chlorine converted to combine in water, along with a couple other things including salt. No one tells them that pouring 3/4 cup of bleach in their towels while doing laundry, won't cause their home to be filled with deadly gas that will kill them. No one tells them that if a little splashes onto their hand while pouring it, they don't have to rush to the doctor (with the exception of getting it in their eyes). No one tells them that the rinse cycle makes their clothes safe for them to wear, and won't cause them to become cancer laden. They're hearing this, and thinking that so far, they've been very lucky. There is big lack of perspective.
On the other hand, some will then venture to the chlorine bleach website, where they are reassured their product is "safe". They then leave their bottle of bleach under the kitchen counter, along with the measuring cup, for their 3 year old to get into, and enjoy drinking a cup of it. Again, there is a big lack of perspective.
This applies to many of the products we use for other things too, however, the previous topic was Sevin dust. ALL products used as pesticides, even DE powder, no matter how natural, carry some risks, and can be very dangerous when misused, or overused. Of course there is some degree of toxicity, otherwise they wouldn't work. That doesn't mean that they should never be used. On the other hand, when used correctly, and cautiously, they can be beneficial, with less risk than the creepy crawlies pose. There is a huge difference between someone with a home sprayer, mixing the correct product for their situation, or sprinkling a powder, as directed, to treat gardens, crops, and/or livestock, compared to the concentrations, and dispersal methods of the huge commercial fruit/vegetable, or livestock farms. This applies to wormers too. Another issue with both pesticides, and wormers is when they are used as a preventative on chickens, but there is nothing to prevent. When there is nothing to prevent, don't use a preventative pesticide, or wormer.
Nobody wants chickens to "get" anything. The problem with using pesticides, and wormers as a preventative on them, when there is nothing to prevent, is that they become less effective when they are actually needed to prevent, or get rid of something.
Far too many people reading something like this tend to overreact as it pertains to their situation. "Oh my gosh, I didn't know it was so dangerous, so I'll never buy another bottle of Clorox again, or anything containing bleach, because I don't want to risk any harm to me, or my family." The media doesn't help. They will go on, and on about how dangerous chlorine is, and it causes cancer. What they fail to mention is that the gas is 100% chlorine, while household bleach is 6% chlorine converted to combine in water, along with a couple other things including salt. No one tells them that pouring 3/4 cup of bleach in their towels while doing laundry, won't cause their home to be filled with deadly gas that will kill them. No one tells them that if a little splashes onto their hand while pouring it, they don't have to rush to the doctor (with the exception of getting it in their eyes). No one tells them that the rinse cycle makes their clothes safe for them to wear, and won't cause them to become cancer laden. They're hearing this, and thinking that so far, they've been very lucky. There is big lack of perspective.
On the other hand, some will then venture to the chlorine bleach website, where they are reassured their product is "safe". They then leave their bottle of bleach under the kitchen counter, along with the measuring cup, for their 3 year old to get into, and enjoy drinking a cup of it. Again, there is a big lack of perspective.
This applies to many of the products we use for other things too, however, the previous topic was Sevin dust. ALL products used as pesticides, even DE powder, no matter how natural, carry some risks, and can be very dangerous when misused, or overused. Of course there is some degree of toxicity, otherwise they wouldn't work. That doesn't mean that they should never be used. On the other hand, when used correctly, and cautiously, they can be beneficial, with less risk than the creepy crawlies pose. There is a huge difference between someone with a home sprayer, mixing the correct product for their situation, or sprinkling a powder, as directed, to treat gardens, crops, and/or livestock, compared to the concentrations, and dispersal methods of the huge commercial fruit/vegetable, or livestock farms. This applies to wormers too. Another issue with both pesticides, and wormers is when they are used as a preventative on chickens, but there is nothing to prevent. When there is nothing to prevent, don't use a preventative pesticide, or wormer.
Nobody wants chickens to "get" anything. The problem with using pesticides, and wormers as a preventative on them, when there is nothing to prevent, is that they become less effective when they are actually needed to prevent, or get rid of something.
Dsqard and I finished a project we had both worked on for the past couple months. We followed a video tutorial and made a "Lewe's Balloons" growth chart wall hanging for a kids room.
Without her permission, here they are:
Hers:
Mine:
I also spent some spare time (after all, I'm not packing up and moving across the country) to make a matching play mat with Lewe on it.
Without her permission, here they are:
Hers:
Mine:
I also spent some spare time (after all, I'm not packing up and moving across the country) to make a matching play mat with Lewe on it.
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