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[ronott1]

I am off to the Alabama Chicken and Egg Festival and Poultry Show tomorrow! My first big poultry show (other than the county fair) and I am picking up a pair of quality Silver Campines from a lady that is bringing them from Texas!!! Woot!! Stumpy and Kowgurl62 are going as well and I am excited!

Have a great time!

 

[Arielle]

How lucky am i? my dd decided I needed a foot massage

Ohhhh, that feeeeeelllls gooooooood . . . . . .

 

[Arielle]

Good luck Wisher-- and safe travels!!



Wolf-- You absolutely amaze me!! You are an inspiration, all that you can handle. What a mess. Glad the hoppers were still full and that was one less to-do.

Duck-- glad you have resources on line-- great forums to learn and talk and support each other. Yes, some paleos will use milk products others not, creates a heated debate. I rarely buy milk , rather cream, butter and cheeses. On low carb I can eat all those and my kids don't miss the whole milk as they don't eat beakfast cereals.




For those that are interested, here is the web site. See if this works: http://forum.lowcarber.org/ All versions of low carb, primarily the focus is eating better quality foods, knowing your own body, and for many wieght loss and for others maintaining their BW.

 

[sourland]

I am off to the Alabama Chicken and Egg Festival and Poultry Show tomorrow! My first big poultry show (other than the county fair) and I am picking up a pair of quality Silver Campines from a lady that is bringing them from Texas!!! Woot!! Stumpy and Kowgurl62 are going as well and I am excited!

Wisher, have a blast!

 

[ducklucky]

I am with you there, Arielle. Some people just get so purist about these diets, you're kinda looked down on if you don't follow it to the T!!! I find the whole idea of the diet is the foods and how to eat healthier and yes, the foods that most of us grew up on have most likely caused us great damage. We're just trying to maybe fix it or at least catch it before it hurts us more. I see nothing wrong with raw whole milk, creams, yogurts and cheeses that are clean. Do too love those things, and refuse to give them up, and at an age where gotta watch the old bones, and hate taking pills (calcium, magnesium) I'd rather get it thru foods. I for one, will not join that debate, they can argue away about it. I mean, what the heck is breast milk for? Know milk from animals is a whole other debate, but we are animals after all. Sure if you had a baby animal kicked out by its momma, and you had no other option, that little guy would appreciate your breast milk, right? Same difference. Oh well, won't start a debate here, it's just a personal opinion and one I won't change or even involve myself with defending it. As long as it's good for you...NO breakfast cereals here either. Unfortunately hub only has a very few things he can drink with his bad bladder, and milk is one. Trying to get him to drink the real stuff, but he's afraid of it. Maybe if I pasturize it for him, he will drink it. He's just a weirdo.

 

[Arielle]

I am with you there, Arielle. Some people just get so purist about these diets, you're kinda looked down on if you don't follow it to the T!!! I find the whole idea of the diet is the foods and how to eat healthier and yes, the foods that most of us grew up on have most likely caused us great damage. We're just trying to maybe fix it or at least catch it before it hurts us more. I see nothing wrong with raw whole milk, creams, yogurts and cheeses that are clean. Do too love those things, and refuse to give them up, and at an age where gotta watch the old bones, and hate taking pills (calcium, magnesium) I'd rather get it thru foods. I for one, will not join that debate, they can argue away about it. I mean, what the heck is breast milk for? Know milk from animals is a whole other debate, but we are animals after all. Sure if you had a baby animal kicked out by its momma, and you had no other option, that little guy would appreciate your breast milk, right? Same difference. Oh well, won't start a debate here, it's just a personal opinion and one I won't change or even involve myself with defending it. As long as it's good for you...NO breakfast cereals here either. Unfortunately hub only has a very few things he can drink with his bad bladder, and milk is one. Trying to get him to drink the real stuff, but he's afraid of it. Maybe if I pasturize it for him, he will drink it. He's just a weirdo.

I love your thinking-- our bodies are very individual and react differently to every food and chemical. Some people can drink milk, others cannot. Same for apples, strawberries, nuts, peanuts. Give me one slice of bread and I"m eating the whole loaf!! I"m driven to eat it, so I avoid the first slice and have found low carb substitutes for most desserts. On the lc forum, there is a location for the debates and those that enter are warned that you must be able to cope with very heated discussions or stay out of that section. I did wander in one day, and found the discussions to be interesting and no really horrible name calling or anything like that.

I do think our bodies absorb nutitrents better when combined with normal food. Afterall we have been eating this way for millions of years . . I"m not looking to have a debate here, just saying we have adapted to eating a certain way long before the turn of the 20th century. A friend was recently dealing with anemia depite all the pills, she has changed to adding beef to her diet as that source of iron is readily absorbed and the pills are peed out.

Many people are returning to raw milk. ANd yes we have all been taught to be scared of raw milk. An aunt kept milking goats when her DH had cancer. THere are diseases we can get from raw milk, but that is like saying we can get rabies from a bat. I enjoy seeing the bats knowing they are cleaning the mosquitos out of the air and in reality they are not likely to have rabies; rabies among bats is very rare. You can drink raw milk; You can buy raw milk from tested cows to avoid the listeriosis and a couple other things. Because our food is sanitized, I take a probiotic now and then to get the good bugs . . . . I don't eat raw meats anymore either . . . .miss steak tartar, yummm. I don't think your DH is a weirdo, he is still beleiving what we have been taught for years. I learned agriculture in college and beleived it all . . . . . my view is a little different these days.IT takes time to change. . . . took me 12 years . . . lol

 

[refamat]

What most people don't realize is that there cannot be any "all natural, organic food" anymore. The chemicals and particulate matter that are airborn and brought to ground by rain eliminate any chance of that. Add to that the chemicals in groundwater from contamination and unless your talking about a well which is over 400 feet deep and proven to be contaminant fee, not FDA/EPA allowable limits, then they are putting some really nasty stuff into those "organic" foods. Keeping people fired up about GMO and Monsanto keeps the masses off the backs of industries and oil companies. Paleo diet is not a paleo diet, just a vegetarian author's way to kick back and smile over his salad. To add to the farse, paleolithic peoples and all earlier peoples, were not vegetarians, they were omnivores, eating what was there that was good.

If it tastes like chicken, eat it!!

 

[Bitterroot]

For those that are interested, here is the web site. See if this works: http://forum.lowcarber.org/ All versions of low carb, primarily the focus is eating better quality foods, knowing your own body, and for many wieght loss and for others maintaining their BW.

Thanks for the site, Arielle. I've been doing paleo for almost a year now and have lost quite a bit of weight. It's tough at times, so reading about how others are doing always helps me get through a tough spot. My biggest items I miss are dairy. I love cheese, but it doesn't love me. Really slows down the weight loss.

I prefer to think of paleo as going back to whole, unprocessed foods. For me, it's isn't low carb, it isn't vegan or whatever else anyone would want to equate it to. It's about putting healthier choices into your lifestyle and changing the way you used to eat. I so much prefer fresh broccoli roasted in olive oil to the quick frozen stuff microwaved with a ton of butter on it, for example.

Good luck to those making the change. I quit smoking about 10 years ago, and this is way harder than either that, or boot camp were!

 

[Arielle]

What most people don't realize is that there cannot be any "all natural, organic food" anymore. The chemicals and particulate matter that are airborn and brought to ground by rain eliminate any chance of that. Add to that the chemicals in groundwater from contamination and unless your talking about a well which is over 400 feet deep and proven to be contaminant fee, not FDA/EPA allowable limits, then they are putting some really nasty stuff into those "organic" foods. Keeping people fired up about GMO and Monsanto keeps the masses off the backs of industries and oil companies. Paleo diet is not a paleo diet, just a vegetarian author's way to kick back and smile over his salad. To add to the farse, paleolithic peoples and all earlier peoples, were not vegetarians, they were omnivores, eating what was there that was good.

If it tastes like chicken, eat it!!

Maybe I have misunderstood-- paleo is one of the low carb diets, so it should revolve around natural meats and vegies. I don't see it as a vegetarian lifestyle. I looked at paleo as I love meat especially beef, so I was under the impression that it had plenty of meats.

Some parts of the world have vegetarian diets because they do not have the means to acquire meat or other animal protein. Some areas of the world are so over populated that the wild sources of meat are gone. THey are actually in starvation mode. Living a healthy vegetarian or vegan lifestyle takes a lot of careful planning of foods and with AMericans growing to very large sizes for a human that takes a lot of protein and calories. In human history, omnivore eating included insects. In dire straights, we can still digest insect protein. I personally will wait until I am starving, and until then the chickens can have the grasshoppers and ants and grubs.

I try to eat the foods that don't need much processing to eat: nuts, berries, meats, fish, salads, hamburger , etc. AND chicken, AND turkey!!

"All natural organic" has a legal definition; if it meets that criteria , then the label fits. I personally see it as relative. The more alternative methods can be used the better for the land and our health. I would like to see the land better taken care of as we depend on it to feed, what are we at 325 million people.

 

[gryeyes]

My contractor is starting the duck pond project today. :yiipchick

It's going to be a 10' by 15' rectangle, plumbed for easy draining & cleaning. He's building it partially above ground (less digging to do) out of pressure treated lumber. We've planned for it to be between two and two-and-a-half feet deep. The flock of ducks and both ganders will be able to SWIM in more than just circles, as they currently do in the round 300 gallon stock tank.

Whoot!