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[Cynthia12]

Congratulations Mrs. Wilson!

 

[Cynthia12]

Hey Linda..is that a Pie Bald Weinder Doggy? I have one too. Pie Bald being the two colors.
Here is my Brody


Fun little critters aren't they?

 

[Arielle]

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I am not a big fan of most drugs that promise to help with a problem yet can cause other problems to happen.
Take the 30 second commercials were the first 10 seconds are what it does and then the last 20 seconds are all the possible side effects that can happen.



What I found out and use which as all commercials say.




This may not work for everyone but for me and others that My Dr has removed off satins to try this way due to bad side effects and/or cost is.....

drum roll.


tatatatatatatatat



A bowl of oatmeal and a tablespoon a day of Lecithin granules. Not the pill or capsule type which has other stuff in it but the pure granules which can be found at an GMC or other drug stores and online. the cost is approx $10 a pd. They add a nutty favor to the oatmeal. I also put it on cereal on those non oatmeal days and also eggs or a salad.



Now that being said, the granules are pure while the pills or capsules have added stuff that seems to delude it.

using that I went from 280 to 200 in 3 months. The big plus is no side effects and much, much cheaper than satins.

Now you still must keep active and don't eat tons of bad stuff. I eat anything i want, but not as much.


Fluff don't stuff. smiles.



Now the way I look at it, If I have a hear attack, I would have had it anyway and nothing a pill will do is going to make a difference except to cost me more money, possible cause side effects, limit what foods I eat and support a company that is in the business of making money first and foremost.

Now this may work or not. You have nothing to lose trying this way and possible save alot of money and painful side effects. and one last note, I get no KICKBACK for you using this product.




Nothing against you Oz, The Missus is a medical professorial and was hard to convince that pills will not help or cure everything just because a company told you so. Stats and results can and have been fudged before. really I just don't buy into a pills for life will let you live longer. it may help, it may not but that is not much of a life if you can not afford it or suffer worse things because of the side effects.... plus if they really worked, why do people still die while on them??? When it is your time, it is your time.....


again, you can take your satins or other pills and hope for no side effect or you can try other stuff. it's only your money and life....

Bottom line is do what you feel best doing, it's your life not anyoner elses....





ok, off the soap box and have given you what works for me...

Well maybe my rants paid off--- what an awesome discussioin !!


My 2 cents, if you are on statins or any drug, don't stop. Do some research, have a few discussions with your Dr, and decide what to do. Do not suddenly stop meds just because you heard about some thing. HOwever, I am reaching more and more to foods to fix or prevent problems as the cost of drugs are getting out of my reach.

My goal in life is to have a better medical history than my mother, and grand mother. I'm hoping for a cancer free life . . . I"ll let you know the results in another 50 year! . I recently found a book on an anti cancer vitamin, and like all reading I do I read with a critcal mind. Is this true? WHat are the motivations of the author, or doctor? Is the data correct? Was the study correctly presented? Was it a decent study?

I grew up around 2 major research faciltiies with a ton of MD's and PhD's. I sat at brown bag lunches listening to grad students presenting their findings/research projects as well respected researchers/doctors asked knowledgeable questions and pointed out areas of weakness in the study. Meant in a positive manner, to help the student have the best study possible. I learned a lot those years. I learned about doctors. I learned how doctors critique others work for publication. How those reviews affect careers. I overhead one old reasercher counceling another on how to write up the findings to ensure the oil company would support another level of study.

Years later when I was having an extended stay at Bigham and WOman's Hospital, my mother and I had been talking on the phone when the round of doctors got to me. I conveyed the msg that doctor so-and-so says "hi" to the Dr that headed that department. Outside my room I could hear the head Dr in a very excited voice tell the student doctors who he was.

I've seen many sides to doctors. MOst good. Most are human and have faults like us all. Many of us have or had jobs where we did not get paid over time. SH takes midnight calls regularly and even on vaca takes work calls. We are all pushed to the limits these days. I'm praying it will ease up if the economy can really get going again. IMO we need to bring back the jobs tha went over seas to give jobs to all the people here and get them off unemployment. I"ve watched my husband go gray as he deal with yelling screaming complaining members of the public. He deal with it calmly and logically, and send interogating lawyers racing out of the room in frustration. ( Really) He has taken on portions of another managers work as that position will not be filled.

My point is everyone is being stretched. Not just doctors, nurses, police etc. Heck, who wants my job?? I'm up at night when my kids are sick and I have to get them off to school when I am sick.

Lecithin--- my neighbor took hers in orange juice. Loved that ladiy--had horses and a big heart. ANd lots of labs!

 

[gryeyes]

Yup, Dooley is a double-dapple chocolate piebald. A breeder's cull they didn't cull, but sensibly neutered. I got him when he was about two years old; they told me he was crate trained, but in reality he had been crated all that time. He had no social skills, didn't know what treats were, and certainly didn't realize furniture was an okay place to rest with me.

But I fixed <I>that!</I>

His original name was Periwinkle. <I><*shaking head*></I> He became Dooley because his demeanor reminded me of the song, "Hang down your head, Tom Dooley..."

 

[Arielle]

Quote: Now I am confused??? I thought 200 was for total cholesterol?? Why is my docotr fine with 180??

Low carb diets , not the one that I have had given to me by a dietitian, moves the cholesterol in the right direction. Meaning back into the cell where they belong and out of the blood stream. We do make all the cholesterol we need, so if it is lacking in the diet, our body will make it. Basically AMericans eat far too much in the way of carbs. ANd mosly bad low nutrient ones at that.

 

[Arielle]

Well im officially Mrs. Wilson

ANd lovely bouquests , too!! Congrats.

 

[Arielle]

Congrats Mrs. Wilson! Can you get used to being called a MRS? Never could, makes me feel old(er).

Well, Arielle, didn't know our conversation would start such a debate here, wasn't my intention, only trying to share info. Anyway, we have access to whole raw milk from a reputable, inspected farm, and they sell it in stores as well. Also raw goats milk. And raw mlk cheeses. One of the pleasures of living in Maine. People here are just not afraid of that stuff, and surprise, most of the obits list folks well into their 80s and 90s. Almost all of those are farmer types. The ones who die younger, in their 60s and 70s are mostly the "city" folk. And younger than that, probably an accident or rare disease. So there is something to be said about eating whole foods and being outdoors and working til you drop from exhaustion.I'm all for civil debates, as we can share information and find new methods or info to make our lives better. I like to eat, so I like more than paleo, however what my family and I eat is very close to paleo. Roasted chicken, not breaded patties. Atkins talks about eating a variety of foods and to not eat one food for more than 2 weeks with out a 2 week break-- or something like that. I think he means that we are supposed to eat a variety all the time before repeating foods. Apparently it eliminates many food allergies. Good food and exercise is a boon.

No, the Paleo diet is not vegetarian, can't remember who brought that up. By all means you can eat all the lean meats you want. Surely the doctor who came up with it is in it for the money, of course he is! But it just makes sense, and as I stated before, there are those of us who are purists, which I am not, and those of us who will alter the diet to our personal tastes. To us, the diet is just a springboard, and a good one at that. It just makes sense to eat sensibly. Just cuts out a whole lot of junk and a lot of us may have food sensitivities we don't even know we have. This diet eliminates all of those things, like gluten, sugar, grain flours, etc. Yes, and dairy too, many folks may have a lactose intolerance and wonder why their digestive system always feels like yuck, I do not have that problem, so I indulge in raw dairy products.I dug my heels in when the pediatrians wanted me to change my kids to low fat milk. Really? My kids have always been trim. THey needed the fat calories. THis is a policy all pediatricions here have adopted to decrease BW of our obese kids. Mykids never got junk food. No chipos, no ding dongs, no fritos, except at school events and birthday parties. HEck when I was a kid, we didn't get that stuff except on very special events 1-2 times a year. School makes eliminating breads tough. I won't let them eat the junk served at school, and one son loves sandwhiches and all things bread in general. Like I did. I get it. However I have increase the greens and salads and such to reduce the room for breads when they are at home.

And Arielle, I don't know how you feel about this, but the diet does eliminate legumes. I know they are very starchy and can cause a spike in blood glucose, and we do eat them maybe once a week because they are just so darn good for you otherwise. Of course the Hub with diabetes has to watch his intake, but being so high in fiber, and served in a small portion with another high fiber food, I really don't see the harm in it. We had a neighbor who ate beans every friggin' day, always dreaded being invited for dinner because legumes were always the main course. One can only eat so many beans. She was bone thin, too, and active, but always seemed lethargic to me. Would think overloading on any one food would not be the right way to go.We lived for millions of years without most of the foods we have now, mostly meats and wild greens and roots. THe more variety the better. I have taught my kids that corn and peas are starchy, and do not count as a veg, they are in the bread family, high starch. If not eating legumes but once a week works for you go for it!! On the Atkins plan I can eat a higher level of fats, and I like that aspect during weight loss and to control appetite. Long ago there was a study that curred epilepsy using a high fat diet. I'm not convinced that the current studies have realized all the possible eating patterns that are beneficial. I just know SAD is BAD.

Ar, have you tried Miracle Noodles aka Shiratake? We just love them, and of course they taste like absolutely nothing unless you let them soak in some kind of flavor. If you haven't tried them, they are available thru vitacost.com and many other places, but we find their prices to be more than fair and get all of our paleo ingredients thru them. Let me know if you, or anyone else for that matter, want to order from them, can invite you as a friend and get you some $$$ off. No, I do not work for them, not a distributor, and am not associated with them in any way. Just doing y'all a favor, and of course I get a bonus from it too LOL! Anyway, back to the Miracle Noodles, they are made from the root of a particular yam plant and contains only the soluble fiberous part of the plant, no carbs or calories, no gluten, no soy, no real nutritional value really other than iron, but they do fill you up, and Hub likes them because he thinks they have the texture of fresh pasta (I do not, they are like rice noodles to me). Their theory is they stay in the system longer due to their makep, and you are not hungry an hour later, like when you eat oriental rice noodles. There is no sugar spike because there are no carbs. I know this will start a whole new debate, why would we eat something that has no nutritional value, but apparently the far east have been eating this stuff for thousands or years for its health benefits, so...But they are filing as a SIDE dish, and can be used a gazillion ways. Don't be discouraged when you take them out of the package, they smell a little, but you rinse that away, let them dry a bit on a towel, and then put them in whatever you are cooking, any sauce, and leave them in there for a bit to absorb the flavors, otherwise they taste like nothing. Hub is fooled that it is pasta even tho he knows it is not, that old brain playing tricks again. Anyway, that is my find for the paleos, and kelp noodles as well.I have tried MANY foods. Would steal caviar on cream cheese from my mother's dinner party h'oderve tray. I think they are Yucky now-- two jars in the 'fridge now that I can't eat. I do get sushi once in a while with raw fish and seaweed. Risky, so that is rare. You are right these noodles would work for me. I've been needing to get some. When I looked they were pricey , so I have turned to spagetti squash. Will Pm you.

I know a lot of you will say diets don't work. Well, of course they don't, because almost no one can stick to a "diet" their whole lives. Our bodies and minds have become so conditioned to other unhealthy foods that we actually crave that junk. Just like trying to withdraw from caffeine, soda, bread, cravings big time. Someone said, don't give me a slice of bread, I will eat the whole loaf, and that is KEY. Hub has lost over 30 pounds in about six weeks, the diabetes DX scared him, and he has many other health issues. He's a big sugar person, but has gotten used to Stevia, and says he doesn't like that taste of sugar anymore, it's too, well, sugary! It's a miracle! Last night made coconut flour carob chip cookies, and altho they are nowhere near the real thing, he was happy with them, with a small glass of ice cold WHOLE milk. Will try carob brownies today with coco flour and see how it goes. Did do a carob layer cake with coco flour a few weeks back, it was yummy. He can't have chocolate because it irritates his bladder, but for those who can eat chocolate, I envy you. And both are good for you anyway.You have made a number of wonderful points here. THe above in red is me. I can still trigger this binge. My body is messed up after 30 years of SAD eating. THe best I can do now is eat a compensating diet the is forever my woy of eating ( woe). Lots of other yummy cakes to eat if chocolate is not possible. Ihave found, with the help of supporters, many websites with alternative recipes, something for everyone. My mom used to use carob as it was far cheaper than chocolate when feeding 6 kids.

So the whole diet debate is really a moot point, I think. What works for one, works, but there's no reason to get all upset about it. I believe a 30 pound weigh loss for hub secures my side. Personally, I am naturally thin and always have been. When you stop calling it a "diet" but rather just a life style change in the way you eat, you may stop saying "I'm on this stupid diet" and embrace the change. Bad carbs and junk foods are the enemies, and whatever "diet" you choose to get away from them, more power to you! A friend uses duck eggs from her ducks-- I never did ask if it was due to chicken egg allergies. Again, we eat too much of one thing. I eat turkey eggs, duck eggs, and chicken eggs. Haaa haa" Way of eating" is the term we use on the LC forum.


As far as the medication debate that seems to be starting up here, medicines are sometimes a necessary evil. We have destroyed our bodies and are paying for it thru drugs. Drugs can fix you up, and with a good, healthy way of eating and plenty of activity, many things can be fixed and the drugs can go away. But for some, drugs are necessary to survive. Hub takes about a dozen, sometimes more, but he abused himself so much for so long, he is paying the price. He's a very sick man. Thank goodness I can at least take care of him for now, he's not bedbound yet, and is truly working at feeling better. Hopefully we can reverse the diabetic aspect at least. Statins, that is a whole other issue. Personally, I have had high bad cholesterol my entire life, it's just my norm, but my good cholesterol is off the charts, so I don't even worry about it, and my doc agrees. Plus family history, no real heart issues, no strokes, etc. At 57, I take no meds at all. If I were to go to a different doctor, I'd probably be on many meds. Positive rheumatoid factor (my mom, her mom), arthritis is setting in, fibromyalgia, unnoticeable except for flares which are excruciating and not much else. Movement helps me get thru the flares, and they only last a few days. It's always there, but I have learned tricks without meds, but with food. A good hot cup of herbal tea or coffee works wonders to make one feel better and soothe. Did have a dr. tell me years ago that I should be on statins, but I know my body. My counts were high as a child. It's just my normal, and altho I'm young HA! yet by some standards, folks in my family just don't live that long. My genetics are something I have no control over. Cancer is the big threat for me from genetics, but I hope to at least postpone that thru diet and staying active. If and when the big C comes to call, at least I know that I did everything I could to try to avoid it.Medicine is changing, very slowly, but it is changing. I know when I have had too many carbs-- my wrist that was broken badly will act up. It is my reminder to get back on track. LOL

Doctors, doctors, please. There are good and bad doctors just like everything else. We are fortunate to have an FNP to take care of us, and he is wonderful. Half holistic, half traditional. His wife is a hospice nurse, so we have the best of both worlds for hubs pain control. He will tell us if he thinks one specialist is good or not good for US. Trust me, we've seen plenty of both. We are now venturing onto the holistic trail, not giving up on traditional, but Hub wants a new outlook, he's sick and tired of being sick and tired. Maybe some acupuncture, Hub thinks he would like to try hypnotism for his pain and get away from the narcotics, even just a little. We are in touch with a world renowned herbalist/holistic and he wants to take Bob's case because it's so rare. Our NP knows when we come to him asking whaddya think, that I have done extensive research before even asking him for a recommendation, and he just says go for it, let's see if it works. As long as it doesn't interact with the meds, it's harmless anyway. But believe me when I say this, and please medical people reading this, no offense, there are some horrible doctors out there, we've seen more than our share, and you can tell from the first (and last) visit. If a doctor doesn't listen, doesn't even know what bedside manner is, poo-poos or dismisses you, it's time to look elsewhere. 'Nuff said. Please don't start a debate about doctors, there are plenty out there that we should show our utmost respect for, and nurses and all other medical professionals as well. Yes, we are the patients, this body is mine, and you can always say no thank you at any time, it is your right. Weren't for them, most of us would not be here.

On a different matter, I told you all I had brought in six healthy duck eggs from a cannibal female, but did not have an incubator, and put them in a styrofoam cooler with a heating pad, soft warm blanket and misting them, watching the temp and humidity. I believe 4 have died, the veins are gone and they are not growing. Will have the funeral today. The other 2 still look viable, good veins, and some growth. It will be a week today, so will give them a few more days. Pretty sure they will probably not survive, but at least I tried. And YES, going to buy an incubator today online, will have it in a day or two, so don't yell at me. Money was an issue. So then can get serious about hatching some little duckies. Removed all of the eggs from them yesterday so will have a fresh start. They were none too happy, they are very possessive of their eggs, but tough, they had their chance and blew it.LOL Found two of my hens in a breeding coop for chickens. THey came thru a break in the wire run to use the nest box. BOTH girls squeased in side by side. Wish I had a camera!

Has anyone had Buff ducks? Gosh, they are some beautiful. Do they have pretty much the same temperament as Pekins? I do love my Pekes, they are super friendly and super comical and ridiculous, and very well behaved. Will also be ordering some chicks, more RIs and Goldstars, the best of the best eggers, and mix up with a few of the prettier ones I used to have, and get a ROOSTER, OMG, I miss my rooster so much, and want some bambinos naturally. My little Dominique that passed was the best setter, the best brooder, and hatched a lot of roos for the freezer, thru no fault of her own. Gosh, it's amazing how we miss our favorites. She probably will not be replaceable, but sure will try. My RIs and Stars are a few years old now, but among the 9 of them, still get about 5 eggs a day, plenty for us. They are amazingly hardy, but now their days are numbered at this point. THese are the ones you would want for breeding-- durability.

Had a lot of egg customers at one point, back when I had my flock of 70 or so, but since the economy crash, everyone ran out and got their own chickens. Hoping that most of them have given up on that dream and will be back for business. We shall see, I can always barter off excess hens with a neighbor for goats milk, he ought to be birthing about now, or real soon, and he's got a mess of beautiful little goats. He sold a bunch to someone who owns an island off the coast, they wanted to populate it with goats, it's been a few years. Will have to ask him how that's going. We wanted a pair at one point, but with Hub being ill, it just wasn't feasible, I can't do much more than I already am, my plate is full. Oh well, maybe someday...

'Nuff for now, eat well, stay busy and ignore the rest.

 

[Cynthia12]

'Nuff for now, eat well, stay busy and ignore the rest.

I like this. I am going to try and do my best for sure!

 

[Arielle]

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You are my hero! I am at just at this point. I am ready to make a change to a healthier lifestyle and have hopes that I can regain some of my energy. Turning fifty sucked.

I do not slag off farmers, beat on teachers, smack around cops.

Please give us medical people the same respect. Most of have good intentions ... and good ethics

Thank you, Oz, for this reminder.

I found myself agreeing with Arielle whole heartedly and still agree with what I think she was getting at. Medical people are trained professionals, not the end all authority on what is best for you. Yes, you should go to a docktor you trust, and still involve yourself in your own health care. I sometimes forget that I am in one of those groups you mentioned above, myself, but should always remember that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. In other cliches, I shall always try to "do unto others......" since I know how it feels. I have run across bad doctors, as I am sure some of you have run across bad police officers. The vast majority of both groups are good people, trying to do a good job.

Thank you, WIsher, you said it better than I did.

As for turning 50?? I didn't mind it, I was felling a whole lot healtheir that when I turned 20, 30 and 40 !! My Grandfather worked for many years after retirement, He sold the company to a nephew and went into work everyday!

Bet his nephew loved that!! He quit when his wife developed alzheimers. A thin skinny woman-- a lovely person though. He lived to be about 92-4, can't remember, he lived alone, drove, did errands for others ,a nd tripped coming into his house carrying a new TV. His older sister just passed at 105. At her 100th party she said she couldn't remember who I was-- I was fine with that, she hadn't seen me for 30years. I might not remember me either! lol

Bitteroot, glad you found your way to a healthy life. You are an inspriation!!!

 

[Arielle]

According to references, what I was told by medical types is wrong. The Paleo Diet discourages carbs, but, being the fad diet it is, and written by a person who knew little to nothing about ancient peoples, what do you expect. Archaeological evidence shows that grasses played a large part in what paleolithic peoples did like binding hides together. Grasses were stripped to fibers using teeth (as well as sinew, and tree barks), thus the knowledge of grass uses, as well as finds which indicate fiber and sinew were used to fabricate things. In using grasses, how could they not encounter grains which might be tasty. Roots and tubers also played a large roll in paleolithic life, as evidenced by the use world wide of roots and tubers for food and medicines. So, anyone who thinks paleo is the way ancient people kept healthy, remember that most died between 35 and 55 years of age mainly because of things like tooth and gum decay brought on by grains and severe wear and tear from stripping grass fibers and softening hides with their teeth.
Sorry for any misunderstandings. I frankly thought doctors would be smarter than to modify things to what they like. But like most who have delved into the past without schooling in archaeology or geology, they don't know their bums from a hole in the ground. But I knew that ancient people ate anything at hand, including grass seeds and other "gains" which they developed into the grains we now use.
They also fermented grains and kept the resulting alcohol for long periods, much longer than the grain would keep in humid climes.


Mark

Mark you have hit on another complicated area. IMO I think more foods were put in a soup pot than we realize. I know I wouldn't be eating any of the hard grains currently available with out a softening process. lol

Have you read Dr Meads book? Actually this is two doctors, and one is an archeology hobbyist and brought that history into their book on low carb eating. THey look at two groups of people fromt he same area of the US who lived about 5000 years apart and look at teeth and bones; and other archiologial bones; they had a different take on the findings. THe cavities and the bones of hunter-gatherers were healther than the grain based farmer cultures. THere is a study on line that looks at teeth of the ALutian island people in 1930's , 5% cavity rate in people who ate traditional diets, 40% cavities in those people who ate food provided by US government.

I like that you point out how hard life was, so many died young. Child mortailty only really improved in the last 100 years. But due to vaccines, etc. I'm sure teeth wore down because of chewing on hides and using teeth for scissors ( I have a few chips as does my son because he pulls apart his LEgo with his teeth, sheesh).

I try to eat the best foods I can with what is available in the markets today. My bet is anyone who can eat Paleo or Atkins or Protein Power etc are eating FAR better than the standard american diet. or SAD, lol. With Atkins hwe wants people to eat 3 salads a day, or two salads, and a cup of low carb vegies like green beans or asparagus. I appologise for sounding harsh, I get a little hyper about food, our current fare is really crappy on the whole in the US. My understanding is that the broblems of heart issues and the quaratet did not really exist before about 1925 in the US. That is about30 years after the introduction of coke and refined flours. I have thought about this over and over. What did our diets look like before 1890? THere were no cold morning cereals, it was bacon and eggs, or soup perhaps. I know I am often busy and I depend on a pot on the stove 24/7 to feed everyone. Just makes me think what is SAD is BAD.

People used food in many forms. I do like that we have so so many choices in the markets year round.

ANd now I'm off to the vegie garden again to plant more vegies: root crops, greens and onions. I think I must have about 20 different vegies going in this year.With the help of my boys. I will try to have a root celler full of a few items this year. Or at least that is my goal!! ANd this is why grains were important== they store for years in a cool dry location. THey had and have a purpose.
Sory this is long-- great discussions.