@chickadoodles That's the one I was going to buy from Tractor Supply, but everyone told me it was junk. So I'm going to sell our extra minivan and by the Brinsea 20 advanced. Ebay has them the cheapest I could find. Anyone want to buy a 1993 dodge caravan? Slightly used, runs great, drives great, only 268,000 miles. I'll miss her it's the only vehicle I have I don't have to worry about a engine light to pass inspection, pre 1996 in NY I think.