Actually, they were scheduled to be here this coming spring. However, now that I've decided to move, They are on hold once again until I find the final resting place and settle in for the remainder of my life. Hopefully, that will include a much bigger area of land than what I have now, making it more conducive to being established as a self sufficient homestead. I hope to be capable of surviving off grid, though remaining within several hours reach of what has been referred to as "civilization".No goats? I ran across a number of your posts browsing BYH.