The Omega Rocks: The Last & Ultimate Barred Plymouth Rock Flock

Eye-popping for sure! What are you feeding at this point? Mine are on their 2nd bag of Tucker's Show Flock Starter and they are huge compared to last years chicks but sassy! I keep wondering if that's because of all the rain? I can't get them outside like I'm used to doing--everything is under water here like I've never seen before.
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Rusty
I'm glad yours are doing well on the Show Flock starter! I didn't begin with that because I have never started chicks on a feed without animal protein; I firmly believe that chicks need animal protein for their best start in life, though I know the Show Flock line is a good feed, just missing that one component I have always insisted upon. Their Show Flock Layer in that line was originally the Super Layer 22% that I fed my chickens for many years until they quietly removed the porcine protein from it and made it vegetarian. Soon none of us may have a choice to feed animal-based commercial feeds, which is a tragedy.

This may get confusing so bear with me. I started these chicks with a mix of Meat Bird starter 24% protein because the game bird starter only came in 50# bags at both the co-op and Tractor Supply. I wanted to use the GMO-free starter as I did with the bantam Cochin chicks, but the protein level is not optimal for this type of chick (exhibition type with accompanying larger size/frame).
The meat bird starter was mixed 50/50 with Tucker Milling GMO-Free corn-free soy-free starter grower 18% protein because both of those still contain animal (porcine) protein to get the average protein level I wanted for them; 18% protein is too low and I wasn't that sure about feeding meat bird starter at first because I never had done that, but when the 10 lb bag of meat bird starter ran out, I added Game Bird Starter 28% to Tucker Milling GMO-Free chick starter 18%, averaging a 23% protein mix. Game Bird starter also contains animal protein, but alone, the protein level is too high for chicken chicks. Then we got a bag of Show Flock Developer 20% protein (no animal protein, sad unfortunately, but otherwise seems good) so at the moment they have transitioned to a mix of Game Bird and Show Flock developer. When that is gone, they'll get the Show Flock Developer as their sole feed because it still has a good protein level, albeit vegetarian, and they'll be having short periods to get out in the grass and free range under supervision, so will get their own animal protein in the form of bugs and whatever else they can catch plus green forage. The Tucker Milling Layer feed has 16.5% protein, still short on what I want for this group so I may mix game bird layer with it at the point they begin laying to up that protein a bit or I may just use the game bird layer, not sure yet.
I have never started chicks without animal protein in their feed, which is becoming more difficult as the entire industry goes to vegetarian feeds, a huge mistake IMO.
I truly believe chickens develop better if they get some animal protein, better feather quality and skeletal development, etc, especially early in their development, even if you have to provide it yourself by browning small amounts of ground beef or feeding them eggs if you have a surplus of those.
Breeders say that these larger exhibition types need more protein throughout their lives than the normal 16% in most layer feeds. Feeding a game bird layer can provide that, even if mixed with a normal laying feed.
I've seen a real life example of what inadequate feed can do in my Delawares. I sold a beautiful breeder quality Delaware cockerel to someone and later, when he showed me a picture, I was horrified and asked what he was feeding him. That cockerel's brother that I still owned was stunning but his relocated brother was the saddest, skinniest thing I've ever seen, terrible feather quality. He was feeding corn and other scratch feeds, only about 8% protein and the poor guy was stunted. Delawares are the original meat birds prior to the CornishX and they have very dense musculature and large frames. It made me sick to see that male who had the best start in life, but was ruined by inadequate feed and he did not leave here until over 12 weeks old so he was ruined in a very short time by bad feed even after the best start in life.
 
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I tend to agree about some animal protein. But I never felt the need to add it to my feed simply because we have sooooo many bugs here naturally. My gals pounce on errant bugs, worms, and such probably a dozen times a day out in their runs and seem to find tiny baby creepy-crawlies like crazy, which is why I've never missed free-ranging them. When the hens are in full production I do hard-boil the extras, too. There are only the 2 of us and the 2 dogs so there's really a limit on how many we can actually eat, tho. The hens, on the other hand, never seem to tire of them fortunately.... but I just never was comfortable with porcine sources.

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Of course, if you free range your birds, they get what they need. I always forget to say that. This was only to get mine started on their intense growth. My main concern is really more the 24/7 penned birds who never get anything else than what the feed they are given. I dont know of any other animal protein that is in chicken feeds than porcine. I've never seen anything else, anyway, and even that is about to be rare as hens' teeth. They removed animal protein from chicken feed after the dumb Mad Cow thing, which was caused by ridiculously improper feeding of dead cows back to cows. There is no danger of that with chickens (dang, they'd eat each other if given no other choice), but the vegetable protein is cheaper for the companies and that's why they do it almost exclusively now; it's not for their health. I'm sure the Show Flock is fine for your birds, never had a quality issue with Tucker Milling. It's just my preference for these special type heritage breeds because I've seen the results in longevity and overall health (aside from genetic issues, of course,which mostly has applied to hatchery birds here). Anyway you asked and that is how I feed them. Long answer, wasn't it? LOL.
 
What a day today. Husband was removing the older hay from last year from my shed to make room for the new stuff we are hopefully about to make. He called me to come out there. My first thought is he found one of my missing kitties, but thankfully not. Instead he shows me a Polish hen sitting on what he thinks is eggs. He touches her and she did what polish chickens do, flew off hysterically, and there under her were chicks popping like popcorn. Some trying to follow her others just panicking. The sneaky little thing had a big nest that she laid and hatched without us noticing in an area that shouldn't of been accessible.

I grabbed a bucket to put chicks in. He tried to grab the hen in a net but she flew off across the yard and disappeared. He finished removing the hay and was able to catch the rest. 15 total chicks, and 4 unhatched eggs. 3 looked viable so I stuck them under another broody hen to finish hatching. I got the chicks set up. They were not happy without their mom.

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We tried to catch mom. She was on the lam for more than an hour before I finally herded her near them in the pen I put them in. I reunited the family, and they spent a good 5-10 minutes trying to get back under her, which they all eventually did. How can a scrawny polish hen cover 20 eggs, and now 15 chicks. No idea. Might be a bit of polish magic. She seems to be a good mom. Hopefully they can stay warm enough. I'm now glad I didn't order chicks.

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The rest are already under her here. I was about to leave, and heard peeping from the back room where the hay was. Here's one more chick, sitting on a half shell behind a 4x4 on the floor. It was cold so I stuck it under the bantam hen, and I see one of the other eggs already hatched. So far 17 chicks. Gonna be a lot of half polish, half mottled bantam cochins running around here.
 
I'm glad yours are doing well on the Show Flock starter! I didn't begin with that because I have never started chicks on a feed without animal protein; I firmly believe that chicks need animal protein for their best start in life, though I know the Show Flock line is a good feed, just missing that one component I have always insisted upon. Their Show Flock Layer in that line was originally the Super Layer 22% that I fed my chickens for many years until they quietly removed the porcine protein from it and made it vegetarian. Soon none of us may have a choice to feed animal-based commercial feeds, which is a tragedy.

This may get confusing so bear with me. I started these chicks with a mix of Meat Bird starter 24% protein because the game bird starter only came in 50# bags at both the co-op and Tractor Supply. I wanted to use the GMO-free starter as I did with the bantam Cochin chicks, but the protein level is not optimal for this type of chick (exhibition type with accompanying larger size/frame).
The meat bird starter was mixed 50/50 with Tucker Milling GMO-Free corn-free soy-free starter grower 18% protein because both of those still contain animal (porcine) protein to get the average protein level I wanted for them; 18% protein is too low and I wasn't that sure about feeding meat bird starter at first because I never had done that, but when the 10 lb bag of meat bird starter ran out, I added Game Bird Starter 28% to Tucker Milling GMO-Free chick starter 18%, averaging a 23% protein mix. Game Bird starter also contains animal protein, but alone, the protein level is too high for chicken chicks. Then we got a bag of Show Flock Developer 20% protein (no animal protein, sad unfortunately, but otherwise seems good) so at the moment they have transitioned to a mix of Game Bird and Show Flock developer. When that is gone, they'll get the Show Flock Developer as their sole feed because it still has a good protein level, albeit vegetarian, and they'll be having short periods to get out in the grass and free range under supervision, so will get their own animal protein in the form of bugs and whatever else they can catch plus green forage. The Tucker Milling Layer feed has 16.5% protein, still short on what I want for this group so I may mix game bird layer with it at the point they begin laying to up that protein a bit or I may just use the game bird layer, not sure yet.
I have never started chicks without animal protein in their feed, which is becoming more difficult as the entire industry goes to vegetarian feeds, a huge mistake IMO.
I truly believe chickens develop better if they get some animal protein, better feather quality and skeletal development, etc, especially early in their development, even if you have to provide it yourself by browning small amounts of ground beef or feeding them eggs if you have a surplus of those.
Breeders say that these larger exhibition types need more protein throughout their lives than the normal 16% in most layer feeds. Feeding a game bird layer can provide that, even if mixed with a normal laying feed.
I've seen a real life example of what inadequate feed can do in my Delawares. I sold a beautiful breeder quality Delaware cockerel to someone and later, when he showed me a picture, I was horrified and asked what he was feeding him. That cockerel's brother that I still owned was stunning but his relocated brother was the saddest, skinniest thing I've ever seen, terrible feather quality. He was feeding corn and other scratch feeds, only about 8% protein and the poor guy was stunted. Delawares are the original meat birds prior to the CornishX and they have very dense musculature and large frames. It made me sick to see that male who had the best start in life, but was ruined by inadequate feed and he did not leave here until over 12 weeks old so he was ruined in a very short time by bad feed even after the best start in life.
I definitely could have made my answer more concise, right? 😲 You asked what I was feeding these monsters and I just should have said I started them on Meat Bird starter mixed with Game Bird starter mixed with Tucker Milling Non-GMO starter. Yeah, lot less typing there and TMI, sorry! I did spend a lot on getting them going and I will be feeding Show Flock Developer when all else runs out, which, at this pace, won't be long. @Rusty Hills Farm, how much is your Show Flock Developer where you buy it? At our country co-op, it's $19 for 50#. I sure wish chicken feed would cost chicken feed again!!
 
I definitely could have made my answer more concise, right? 😲 You asked what I was feeding these monsters and I just should have said I started them on Meat Bird starter mixed with Game Bird starter mixed with Tucker Milling Non-GMO starter. Yeah, lot less typing there and TMI, sorry! I did spend a lot on getting them going and I will be feeding Show Flock Developer when all else runs out, which, at this pace, won't be long. @Rusty Hills Farm, how much is your Show Flock Developer where you buy it? At our country co-op, it's $19 for 50#. I sure wish chicken feed would cost chicken feed again!!
Prices have gone up in the last 5 years. I used to get my ration for 13 dollar for 50 pounds, now it 22 dollars.
 
Prices have gone up in the last 5 years. I used to get my ration for 13 dollar for 50 pounds, now it 22 dollars.
That's a huge increase. I know that most feeds at the co-op used to be $11-14 per 50# and now, all are between $16 and $20 same size bag. It would be worse if I made a habit of shopping Tractor Supply. And you just want to feed your birds good quality food, dang it! That is one reason, other than the difficulty of keeping different breeding groups going mostly by myself, that I plan to let the Brahmas, the bantam Cochins and the EEs die off as they will naturally and keep only the BRs now. That doesn't mean that one day when those are aging out that I won't get a few bantam Cochins, but they won't be from Cackle. By then, I may not even be able to keep chickens any longer if it's just me eating the eggs. I can't even imagine that right now, though. They are a joy in my life that I am loathe to give up on.
 
I definitely could have made my answer more concise, right? 😲 You asked what I was feeding these monsters and I just should have said I started them on Meat Bird starter mixed with Game Bird starter mixed with Tucker Milling Non-GMO starter. Yeah, lot less typing there and TMI, sorry! I did spend a lot on getting them going and I will be feeding Show Flock Developer when all else runs out, which, at this pace, won't be long. @Rusty Hills Farm, how much is your Show Flock Developer where you buy it? At our country co-op, it's $19 for 50#. I sure wish chicken feed would cost chicken feed again!!
I’m curious, have you considered sticking with just one type of poultry feed, and adding 96% lean ground beef and similar animal protein sources? I’ve given up on finding feed in the form that I like (fermentable whole grain), low or no corn or soy, and high protein, much of which is animal.
 

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