The Rhodebar thread!

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by jeremy, Oct 7, 2011.

  1. Chickens Naturally

    Chickens Naturally Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks for the homework Sheri lol. I'll read through it, but being the geneticist that I'm not, I'm wondering if replacing the RIR Cock and plugging a Partridge Rock into the breeding plan would eventually produce the red barring even though it wouldn't be a Rhodebar?
     
  2. Makomd

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    You could make a an auto-sexing breed with this on the same basis, but would be more brown/gold than red with the absence of the Mahogany gene (Such as Golden Cuckoo Marans like my avatar, though they can be based on ER from Birchen).
    If I am not mistaken Partridge Rock would be the same genetic make-up as a Silver Penciled Rock (eb), but just with the gold gene instead of silver. You would eventually be looking for double barred males that would be lighter than the females. Mixing a gold from Partridge and silver from the barred rock would give you auto-sexing breeds in both gold and silver if you continued to breed for both colors.

    I don not have any partridge rock but have some silver penciled, so I may very well be wrong on whether they carry Mahogany, but to my recollection they are more brown than red correct.
     
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  3. Chickens Naturally

    Chickens Naturally Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I think some show more red than others (not my pics)

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    That's very interesting, gives me some things to think about. Thanks! Hhmmmm, I have some Silver Birchen Easter Eggers too.
     
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  4. Makomd

    Makomd Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I would agree they show some nice red, but I believe that is not the mahogany gene but other genes at work. Mahogany restricts the color black which would not allow for the penciling but more spangling instead of black on hackle and tail feathers. Either way it should work to an auto sexing breed.
     
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  5. roncrna

    roncrna Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I recently hatched out 3 chicks and all 3 are different colors. One is a light yellow, one a light orange, and one with female patterning. Does anyone with experience hatching Rhodebars know which of these will grow into the best color for an adult male? I was thinking it may not be possible but I don't need all three and wondering which 1-2 to keep. Thanks.

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  6. Makomd

    Makomd Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Best to let them grow out a bit and see what they offer. All three are male according to the head spot but the coloration could all be similar once they develop more or you may find some are single barred vs double barred .
     
  7. nicalandia

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    yes all of them appear to be males, I would select for ease of sexing.. they would probably mature having the same shade of gold.. I would keep track of them using leg bands
     
  8. roncrna

    roncrna Chillin' With My Peeps

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    But what is the significance of having single barred vs double barred? I'm not the best when it comes to deciphering chicken genetics. Thanks!
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  9. nicalandia

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    in bringing the Partridge Rock to the Mix I would be more concern about adding the eb e allele rather than lacking mahogany, whle many partridge rock males I've seen look red enhanced, they are still eb instead of e+ at the e locus, how eb with sex linked barring looks? the females look brown with a headspot and the males look alot lighter with a larger undefined headspot.. so far e+ is the best autosexing e allele.
     
  10. nicalandia

    nicalandia Overrun With Chickens

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    I dont hink none of you brids are single barred, BUT if you were to get a Single barred male and mated it with a Rhodebar females theis would still produce Autosexing chicks... BUT 50% of the Females will be none barred(looking like RIR) and 50% of males will be single barred, having a Richer Deep red barring color..

    for show purposes I would always use a single Barred male(rich red color) mated to a Rhodebar female.
     

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