The Rhodebar thread!

[melroseladi]

I would not expect any head spots on F1s. .. so I bet you have some males too.

See Sheri that is what I am unclear about when it comes to the F1's. I know it is different putting a solid rooster over a barred hen then it is putting a barred rooster over solid hens. I hope I don't have to grow all of these out to find out if they are male or female. Where the heck is Marvin, lol?

Penny

 

[RedRidge]

I would not expect any head spots on F1s. .. so I bet you have some males too.

Where the heck is Marvin, lol?

Penny

Yeah I wondered the same thing.
The list has been pretty quiet lately so I bet he'll check in before long. Have you sent him a private message? Sometimes those forward to email so he may get it that way

 

[melroseladi]

Yeah I wondered the same thing.
The list has been pretty quiet lately so I bet he'll check in before long. Have you sent him a private message? Sometimes those forward to email so he may get it that way

No I didn't PM him, I hate pestering him. I just figured he would be checking in soon, I hope. At this point I am figuring I will keep the wildtype chicks regardless of gender and take it from there. There are a couple of chicks acting more rooish then others but they don't have wild type markings.

Penny

 

[Ihilani Coffee]

Double or single barred? I was told by the breeder he is double, but he's darker in color. This pair is 8 months old.

I know everyone is trying to be helpful, but conflicting opinions only confuse more people. RedRidge Sheri says double barred, melroseladi Penny says single barred. How do I find out which of you is correct? These are supposed to be pure RB and not a RIR improvement project. I have three started pullets 8-9 weeks that are much darker than this older pullet and two started cockerels from another flock. This lighter pullet is laying 5-6 eggs a week and just started laying.

 

[melroseladi]

I know everyone is trying to be helpful, but conflicting opinions only confuse more people. RedRidge Sheri says double barred, melroseladi Penny says single barred. How do I find out which of you is correct? These are supposed to be pure RB and not a RIR improvement project. I have three started pullets 8-9 weeks that are much darker than this older pullet and two started cockerels from another flock. This lighter pullet is laying 5-6 eggs a week and just started laying.

It is really hard to tell from pictures but he appears single barred to me. A double barred bird is just as the name implies. The lighter color barring will be wider then the darker color, that is what makes the bird appear lighter in color. If you look closely at your bird, in real life, notice the width of the bars. You should be able to tell if the light bar are wider then the darker bars or if the light bars and dark bars are close in width (single bar). Not all supposed "pure" RB will be double barred. I think it will be up to us to work at improving the line and really get closer to the true "pure" breed.

Just a note, I am far from an expert and really just a babe in the world of chickens so hopefully some of the more experienced posters and genetic gurus can weigh in on this.

Penny

 

[Ihilani Coffee]

It is really hard to tell from pictures but he appears single barred to me. A double barred bird is just as the name implies. The lighter color barring will be wider then the darker color, that is what makes the bird appear lighter in color. If you look closely at your bird, in real life, notice the width of the bars. You should be able to tell if the light bar are wider then the darker bars or if the light bars and dark bars are close in width (single bar). Not all supposed "pure" RB will be double barred. I think it will be up to us to work at improving the line and really get closer to the true "pure" breed.

Just a note, I am far from an expert and really just a babe in the world of chickens so hopefully some of the more experienced posters and genetic gurus can weigh in on this.

Penny

Mahalo, that is helpful. I misunderstood the terms single- and double-barred to be more a genetic classification as in a single or double dose of the barring gene? I'm going out to the RB pen now and perhaps can get a closer photo.

 

[melroseladi]

Mahalo, that is helpful. I misunderstood the terms single- and double-barred to be more a genetic classification as in a single or double dose of the barring gene? I'm going out to the RB pen now and perhaps can get a closer photo.

Yes it is a double dosing of the barring. A double dose will make the bar wider then the darker color which makes the coloring of the bird to appear lighter. A single dose will make a single bar, thinner bar, close to the same width as the darker color, which makes the bird's coloring appear darker.

Disclaimer - my understanding of it as a layperson, lol

Edited to add: It is my understanding that the barring gene "blocks" the color. So in a single bar you would have color, no color, color, whereas in a double bar you would have color, no color, no color, color.

Penny

 

[Makomd]

Double barred Rhodebar-still more black than I would like


Single barred Project

 

[melroseladi]

Thank you Makomd.

Penny

 

[Ihilani Coffee]

Double barred Rhodebar-still more black than I would like


Single barred Project

From these photos I'd think my guy is double. The project bird here has very narrow white bars. Still working on uploading the photos I took today.