The Rhodebar thread!

[Makomd]

So... in a perfect world... would be want the Rhodebar males to be double barred but darker? HRIR are very dark. I thought the standard for Rhodebars was a barred RIR? If that's the case... wouldn't the "ideal" Rhodebar rooster be as dark as possible BUT still be double barred?

Also... what do the really light "yellow" chicks grow up like?

Double barring naturally lightens the color. Its like the light switch that turns the color on and off. Color, no color, color, no color, with double barring it happens twice as much than regular barring.

 

[RedRidge]

OK... so with the chicks... several of you mentioned wanting the darker ones... then someone said they didn't want the yellow ones.
What are you looking for in chicks?

 

[melroseladi]

The line of Reds you have will bring the darker color into your Rhodebars but because of the double barring they will not be as dark as your Reds. It's like the Barred Plymouth Rocks, the males are lighter then the females because the males have double barring and the females have single barring. When you bring your Red line into your Rhodebar line your female Rhodebars will be dark but not as dark as your Reds due to the barring. What you will also be bringing into your Rhodebar line is type, which Rhodebars are lacking right now.

I think of it as the best of both worlds, the type of a good line HRIR with the ability to auto-sex at hatching.

My understanding is that true Rhodebars do not hatch out yellow. They may grow up to "look" like a Rhodebar but will not have the auto-sexing ability that is a requirement of a true Rhodebar. That is just my understanding of it but I am sure our genetics gurus can explain it better then I can.

Penny

 

[RedRidge]

So... technically... all of the males in this hatch,because they were eggs from a RB hen and a RB roo, "should" all be double barred? Correct? But the really light colored where it's hard to tell if they have a spot may not breed as true to the autosexing trait?
Ideally... if I raised all to adults... I'd want (assuming all else was equal) a roo who was as dark as possible but still double barred?

So... when I hear... cull the roos... it's the single barred roos people are culling? Or are they keeping the single barred just for show and breeding the double barred?

 

[Makomd]

OK... so with the chicks... several of you mentioned wanting the darker ones... then someone said they didn't want the yellow ones.
What are you looking for in chicks?

Most of your males look good to use. The darker one and the yellowish 2, I would hang onto to see what they turn out like.

 

[Makomd]

So... technically... all of the males in this hatch,because they were eggs from a RB hen and a RB roo, "should" all be double barred? Correct? But the really light colored where it's hard to tell if they have a spot may not breed as true to the autosexing trait?
Ideally... if I raised all to adults... I'd want (assuming all else was equal) a roo who was as dark as possible but still double barred?

So... when I hear... cull the roos... it's the single barred roos people are culling? Or are they keeping the single barred just for show and breeding the double barred?

Yes to all, remember even the single barred roos could be used to make rhodebars, but it just take more generations to get to double barred.

Some people are probably getting Rhodebar x RIR crosses that are producing non-Rhodebar looking offspring.

 

[RedRidge]

Most of your males look good to use. The darker one and the yellowish 2, I would hang onto to see what they turn out like.

See now... this confuses me... why would you keep the ones at each extreme? does that mean you know what the "in the middle" color will look like and the others are curiosities? or that the extremes are what we are looking for?

 

[RedRidge]

Quote: So here is the craziest question I've asked yet... (I've shown cattle, sheep, and dogs, so understand that standards are gospel in many circles)...
WHY would someone who showed a single bar roo not get disqualified if the standard calls for double bar?

 

[Makomd]

The only reason I say that is your darker one is possibly single barred still usable if something happened to a rooster. I want to say the two yellowish ones are okay, they have a head spot which is clear to see, but wondering if they are a cross containing a wheaten gene which could throw off more crosses than you would want when crossed to a RIR. In reality if both parents are pure Rhodebar you should only be getting Double barred roos, no single barred roos. This is what has me stumped about a lot of the color variations we are seeing with Rhodebars.

 

[Makomd]

So here is the craziest question I've asked yet... (I've shown cattle, sheep, and dogs, so understand that standards are gospel in many circles)...
WHY would someone who showed a single bar roo not get disqualified if the standard calls for double bar?

The SOP says it should look like a barred RIR, double barred or single barred either way it is a barred RIR. Of course in the US its not even recognized.