The Rhodebar thread!

[nicalandia]

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I dont know but what are they? you would need to let them dry first. because so far they dont look like proper Rhodebars

 

[RedRidge]

Redridge.

The under color in the British Standard calls for it (the under color) to be a creamy buff red on a rhodbar.. This is further evidence that the birds were wheaten and not wild type. Wild type barred birds have under color that is light slate color.

Tim

Boy I still have so much to learn about this breed. The wheaten/wild type discussions always interesting..

So Tim... can you explain to me... IF (some big IF's here, but trying to learn)
someone wants to maintain the British Standard... has SQ HRIR birds and a few true Rhodebars to work with... how would YOU proceed over the next several breedings/generations to improve the Rhodebar breed?
What would you keep? What would cull along the way and why? (realizing that sometimes keeping something that isn't what is ideal may still help you along the way).
I'm just curious what sort of breeding plan over several generations you'd implement with the availability of these two groups of birds I mentioned. How would you recommend improving the limited Rhodebar genetics here in the US and still maintain the Standard?

 

[RedRidge]

Double barred males mated to SQ RIR hens would produce the Best looking Show Rhodebas on the Planet...

But... let me make sure I understand... this first cross will only produce nice FEMALES... as the males would all be single barred... correct?
So... those F1 females back to their double barred sire will produce both males and females, but... since a generation of SQ RIR was introduced, my question is, would the BC1 all be autosexed?

 

[nicalandia]

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Going by Tims Theory, if you want Wheaten Based Rhodebar then its a very easy thing acomplish if you have a few rhodebars, select the best male and mate him to SQ RIR hens. keep the best Males and mate them back to the SQ RIR hens again. keep doing this untill you are happy wiht body and type.. then would be a matter of doing a sibling x sibling mating to get the double barring effect. now with this method you would have to keep an eye for light colored chick down males as they will be the double barred males you need... but I believe they are not as autosexable as wildtype e+ birds..

 

[nicalandia]

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Single Barred Males have "Rich" Red Barred Coloring, double barred males are lighter in tone and produce Orange looking barring.. here check a post I made on this subject on this very same topic on this thread.. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/582327/the-rhodebar-thread/750#post_10882365 it shows two barred males, one with single barring and the other double barred both birds are related(father/son)

 

[RedRidge]

Quote: This I'm quite aware of... what I don't understand is why anyone would even keep a single barred Roo if it wouldn't breed true?

 

[nicalandia]

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For Show? same can be said about any other blue birds. they dont breed true and Splash are not shown.. its like with Red Pyle OEG. most show birds you see are Heterozygous dominant white(one copy) why? because dominant white dilutes the red coloring too much(like barring) and they want to keep the rich Red color.. so thats why. its for show anyways. you will be keeping the double barred father in your breeding stock anyways. the single barred males are for show only and not to breed from

 

[RedRidge]

Quote: And see... this is what I thought... but... what I disagree with - but that's because I'm a rebel I guess.

I have shown and competed other animals (dogs, sheep, cattle)... and it's the same with those as well.
Why is it that the best show stock and the best breeding stock are NOT the same animals?
They should be IMO.
For years I worked toward merging the two in several other types of animals... tervuren who are quality show animals who also have multiple working titles... sheep who are winners in the show ring and yet excel at forage conversion and maternal ability...
Unless an animal can excel at both extremes, why would anyone want to perpetuate it? Just to win? How ridiculous... I love to win, don't get me wrong... but I'd rather place 2nd and know that I can use that animal in a breeding program to further perpetuate and improve a line rather than a flash in the pan.

I guess I'm enough of a rebel that I would never show a single barred Roo simply because in my opinion it shouldn't be shown if it isn't what you want in your breeding program. But that's just me...

 

[nicalandia]

I understand your point... But just remember that the Best Laying white leghorns in the world will not look as good as the best show type leghorns.. you just cant have the best of both world in the same bird

 

[RedRidge]

I understand your point... But just remember that the Best Laying white leghorns in the world will not look as good as the best show type leghorns.. you just cant have the best of both world in the same bird

But... shouldn't it be the goal of all breeders to "try" to have the best of both worlds? Or is that just wishful thinking?
Because remember... normally the best laying will not have the health and structure to support that laying for longevity...
But you are right... my production flock lay like crazy... easily reproduced... when they slow down in their laying at 4-5 yrs, we simply replace them to keep our production up.
We are too much of a disposable society...
Dairy cattle... same thing... it's all about how much milk one will give... frequently with little thought to soundness or udder structure.
It's a shame.

I simply think that with a "new" breed (much more so than with long standing breeds) we have an opportunity to "strive for" the best of both worlds.
Yep... eternal optimist...