The Supreme Court's Gun Ruling This Week - Not A Debate

[PurpleChicken]

I watched how the drugs changed my sons entire personality. He went from a kind gentle kid who took in every stray animal that came along to fiend who could only think about meth. He would not have cared for one second that he was packing an illegal gun..just as he didnt care that he was packing thousands of dollars worth of illegal drugs. And he was one of thousands of kids out there...thousands that are still out there..and they sure arent all kids either. Do we really want to be unprotected against them? I dont. And i can guarantee you that our justice system is NOT doing anything to protect us..or these kids.

I've lost friends to drugs, including one dying in my arms. I'm sorry what happened
to your son. Meth is an absolute poison. Drug addiction is a social problem. I have
no idea what the answers are. Rich countries like the US have addicts. Countries
with few guns and legalization like the UK have addicts. Countries like Russia where
you can go to jail for life for possesion have addicts. Look at the Asian Rim. Drugs
are used to control more people than guns are.​

 

[PurpleChicken]

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Summary: Scalia beats up on Breyer and Stevens with his `militia' citations (antifederalists served their purpose!).

Scalia's blood is up by page 67:

"We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country, and we take seriously the concerns raised by the many amici who believe that prohibition of handgun ownership is a solution. The Constitution leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns, see supra, at 54–55, and n. 26. But the enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table. These include the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home. Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our standing army is the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces provide personal security, and where gun violence is a serious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.

We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals.
It is so ordered."

Thanks for summing that up. My God do we, as humans, overcomplicate things.

"but what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct." Alleluia.

 

[Davaroo]

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Aint it the truth.

 

[Rosalind]

Do you honestly believe that if someone cant kill themselfs with a gun they wont kill themselfs? When ppl want to commit suicide they always find a way.

Yes, I do believe exactly that. I have loved ones, friends and family members who suffer from mental illness, including severe depression, and if they are in a depressive state for whatever reason, suicide by gun is a LOT less survivable than suicide by other readily available methods (pills, cutting, etc.).

And two of those loved ones (one close friend, one family member) did in fact attempt to purchase guns in a severely depressed state, with the intention of committing suicide. The mandatory waiting period, as paltry as it was, was enough to cause them to choose another method of suicide--methods that were, thankfully, curable with some stitches and a glass of activated charcoal drink, and a whole lot of Zoloft. That cheesy little three-day waiting period was long enough for them to resort to less-successful methods and as a result they were checked into hospital treatment and had their medication adjusted. So yes, I think it does some good.

I also agree with whomever said that if you're planning a revolution, or planning to act in self-defense, plan ahead. It's just not that hard.

It's true that guns don't kill people. They just make it really easy to kill people. I think this was the most astonishing thing I learned in firearm safety training, I thought it would physically be more difficult than it was.​

 

[Reinbeau]

There is no mandatory waiting period in Massachusetts. All that's required is that you hold a valid permit and you pass the electronically transmitted inquiry when you purchase the gun. The permitting process is designed to weed out those who 'shouldn't' own guns in Massachusetts.

It's really easy to plunge knives into people, too. Some even choose to kill themselves that way. There's a movement in England to ban all sharp knives. That just means they'll figure out another way to kill or commit suicide. It isn't the weapon, it's the desire, that kills.

 

[PurpleChicken]

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Yes, I do believe exactly that. I have loved ones, friends and family members who suffer from mental illness, including severe depression, and if they are in a depressive state for whatever reason, suicide by gun is a LOT less survivable than suicide by other readily available methods (pills, cutting, etc.).

And two of those loved ones (one close friend, one family member) did in fact attempt to purchase guns in a severely depressed state, with the intention of committing suicide. The mandatory waiting period, as paltry as it was, was enough to cause them to choose another method of suicide--methods that were, thankfully, curable with some stitches and a glass of activated charcoal drink, and a whole lot of Zoloft. That cheesy little three-day waiting period was long enough for them to resort to less-successful methods and as a result they were checked into hospital treatment and had their medication adjusted. So yes, I think it does some good.

I also agree with whomever said that if you're planning a revolution, or planning to act in self-defense, plan ahead. It's just not that hard.

It's true that guns don't kill people. They just make it really easy to kill people. I think this was the most astonishing thing I learned in firearm safety training, I thought it would physically be more difficult than it was.

I'm with you on this Rosalind. A gun is a quick way to kill yourself without having the
time to have second thoughts. That's where waiting periods do help. However
it won't prevent many. Most people who actually follow through with suicide come to
terms with it weeks in advance. I have one friend and one coworker who both hung
themselves. I don't know anyone, other than my friends brother, a cop, who ever
turned their guns on themselves. I will say if I ever was going to euthanize myself
a gun would be my first choice.

Quick Story:
I came home from school one day at 12 years old or so. My father had left an
envelope of pictures on the kitchen table. I opened it expecting to see family pics.
What I saw looked like a pizza, until I saw the jaw bone in the middle. My dad had
gone to a call about a gun being fired. When he got there he found a 21 year old
had stuck his shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. My dad, a cop, had to tell
the mother and fiancee what had happened. When people ask me why I never
followed in my dad's footsteps I think of that story and many others.

 

[KingsCalls]

I want a gun if someone comes in my home attempting to rob me!
I want a gun if I'm in a store/bank and someone comes in to rob the place.
I want a gun if someone tries to harm my children!
I want a gun if someone tries to high-jack my car!
I want a gun because I have the right since I am a law abiding citizen!




What will you do in any of these situations if you do not have a gun?
YOU will be at the mercy of the person that has a gun that should not have one!!!!
Your local police force may or may not get there in time!

FOR or Against......the only people that are harming others are people that should not have guns to start with. Guns don't hurt people, people hurt people.
MAKE THE LAWS STIFFER AND STICK BY THEM AND YOU WOULD HAVE LESS GUN CRIMES!

 

[Frozen Feathers]

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Yes, I do believe exactly that. I have loved ones, friends and family members who suffer from mental illness, including severe depression, and if they are in a depressive state for whatever reason, suicide by gun is a LOT less survivable than suicide by other readily available methods (pills, cutting, etc.).

"The only type of firearm which a Japanese citizen may even contemplate acquiring is a shotgun. Sportsmen are permitted to possess shotguns for hunting and for skeet and trap shooting, but only after submitting to a lengthy licensing procedure. Without a license, a person may not even hold a gun in his or her hands."
In Japan, guns are near non existent, they have the heaviest anti-gun laws probably in the world, yet their suicide rate is twice as high as ours. "Teenage suicide is 30 per cent more frequent in Japan than America. Every day in Japan, two Japanese under 20 years old kill themselves."

Quoted text from here...http://www.guncite.com/journals/dkjgc.html
I was just reading about it the other day, since my BIL lives in Japan and he's a gun fanatic.

I found it quite interesting that the lack of firearm allowances causes people to feel powerless.

 

[seedcorn]

I want a gun if someone comes in my home attempting to rob me!
I want a gun if I'm in a store/bank and someone comes in to rob the place.
I want a gun if someone tries to harm my children!
I want a gun if someone tries to high-jack my car!
I want a gun because I have the right since I am a law abiding citizen!

No problem w/gun in house.
So someone comes into store/bank, you are going to draw on him or start blazing???? If so, hope I'm not there since the person firing is more than likely going to escalate the situation. People are taught to give them money, get them out as fast as possible. Then confront robber when innocents are out of way.
Understand this, but if his gun is already drawn, you pull yours, situation escalated, line up the body bags.....
He has gun drawn, you go for yours, have your funeral lined up. Give him the car.......
Yes, you do have that right to own a gun. Unless the area you live in, votes to not allow this right.

Not trying to be nasty but I doubt if most of us could really shoot at and HIT what they intended when heat on.

 

[summerwindsfarm]

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No closing our border to Mexico wont solve *all* of our drug problems..but its a darn good place to start. The majority of the meth that comes into our country these days comes in through Mexico. Many of the ppl who were cooking meth in the US before the ingredients got so hard to get their hands on are now cooking it in Mexico. They are both americans and mexicans.