The tiny serama; a Hatching adventure

[tlcmurphy]

There’s probably a more accurate term for that

 

[2ndTink]

Would have to be at “conception”, just like with mammals.

So as soon as the yolk starts to develop?

I've never thought about this or looked it up before never crossed my mind

 

[tlcmurphy]

So as soon as the yolk starts to develop?

I've never thought about this or looked it up before never crossed my mind

Yes, they would get all their genetic traits then. Feather color, egg color, etc…

I might not eat eggs again!

 

[2ndTink]

Yes, they would get all their genetic traits then. Feather color, egg color, etc…

I might not eat eggs again!

Yeah, me neither, thanks...

I know it's kinda ridiculous but I don't like eating fertilized eggs, it's just a mind thing. 21 days from having an adorable little chick, and there it goes, into the hot pan... at least the unfertilized eggs have no future anyway

 

[BDutch]

Yeah, me neither, thanks...

I know it's kinda ridiculous but I don't like eating fertilized eggs, it's just a mind thing. 21 days from having an adorable little chick, and there it goes, into the hot pan... at least the unfertilized eggs have no future anyway

Much more than 21 days.
From memory:
The fertilisation is normally between 3 weeks - a week before the hens lays her egg and starts to sit in natural circumstances. The egg yolk can be tiny at this moment. The rooster sperm takes about a week to travel to the egg yolk.
Some people see a so called ‘bulls eye’ on the yolk if it fertilised.

Hatching eggs are often kept a week-2 weeks before the hen gets them.
So mating and the fertilisation can easily have been a month before the 21 days you count.

 

[SwampPrincessChick]

It’s not genetic, it’s random (just doesn’t seem that way). Each chick has a 50/50 chance of being male/female, just like every coin toss has a 50/50 chance of landing on heads. You can toss a coin 100 times and get heads each time, unlikely but possible.

You are bringing back memories from my math lessons. "We have certain, likely, equally as likely as not, unlikely and impossible. If you can only spin purple on a color wheel, what is the probability that the outcome will be orange?"

At what point does the hen pass on the Z or W? Meaning, what point in the egg development does this happen?

When the egg gets fertilized, the gender is decided, according to what I have read before.

 

[SwampPrincessChick]

Yeah, me neither, thanks...

I know it's kinda ridiculous but I don't like eating fertilized eggs, it's just a mind thing. 21 days from having an adorable little chick, and there it goes, into the hot pan... at least the unfertilized eggs have no future anyway

For me, I have no care whether the egg is fertilized or not. No chick is living inside of there as long as you do not incubate it or it is not exposed to enough heat outside.

Samsung Keyboard, I did not want you to record audio. I am just trying to reply to 2ndTink.

 

[fluffycrow]

I've read before that some hens are more likely to throw female offspring, while others male. Don't know how true that is, both that theory and the 50/50 both make sense to me; on a larger scale, both would yield about the same

Theoretically, the hen passes her sex-determining gene during the egg's formation. I can't for the life of me remember if Aves form their zygote immediately, or if the zygote is formed only upon the start of incubation. I'm positive it's the former. Either way, the respective organs for each gender are formed quite a whole later in development as you know

 

[tlcmurphy]

I've read before that some hens are more likely to throw female offspring, while others male. Don't know how true that is, both that theory and the 50/50 both make sense to me; on a larger scale, both would yield about the same

Theoretically, the hen passes her sex-determining gene during the egg's formation. I can't for the life of me remember if Aves form their zygote immediately, or if the zygote is formed only upon the start of incubation. I'm positive it's the former. Either way, the respective organs for each gender are formed quite a whole later in development as you know

Well thank heavens, I do not like my breakfast looking back at me!!

 

[TwoCrows]

Ok, I'm going to stir the genetic egg pot here, but I've heard that gender is determined by environmental temperatures. I am not sure why this may be, and I may be confused with some wild bird species. But warmer environments, where eggs are waiting to be incubated, more males are produced. In colder environments, more females are produced. This may be nature's way of controlling the species depending on what the environment can offer the offspring. I can't be sure.