The Welsummer Thread!!!!

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For bantams they are a big size, but compared to the LF, they are the typical 1/3 to 1/2 the size. Im in love with my welsummer bantams, and so glad I got the opporutnity to own such rare birds! I dont think the size should be bred down too much on them. ANd being of such recent imports the bantams are bred to the dutch standard, so I am keeping both dutch hens and USA stadard hens in the breeding pen. I do not want to loose what the dutch have done, so my main focus is on their standard. Which it is not too much different than ours.

Nate

Thanks that is good to know. How about your LF roos, what is their size like? Most specifically their weight.

I dont know their exact weight. I usually select the biggest ones, with good body. I sold all of my breeding roosters this year, and have 8 youngstock roosters growing out, and I will save 3-5 for breeding, depending on who makes the 2nd culling. I judge them at about 6-8 weeks, and if they make that cut, I overwinter them, let them molt, fill out, etc, before i make any breeding selections. Its too hard to tell which ones are the best when they are younger like that, so I eat the cost of feeding that many over the winter, in the long run it works out. I have over 30 roosters right now, and only about 15 of those will be breeders come spring, butI want to be sure I have the best ones for breeding come spring, so I cull then. Ill have to get weights and pics once my youngsters are all grown up. Maybe i can get some pics this week or weekend. We got busted with snow, its knee high, over 24". Yikes - been shoveling pens and paths all day today.

Nate

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Thank you Chooks! I am finding that Odin makes some spectacular birds. His comb may leave something to be desired, but all things considered, thats an easier thing to fix than most other things in breeding poultry, IMO.

Absolutely I will include her eggs. Wish the other girls would do something silly, like lay an EGG! Free loaders!

All girls in the breeding pen with the exception of one are Odin's dtr.s. The one that is not is the only girl remaining I have from my original birds to have survived that dog attack along with Odin. I figured out that Loki is not Odin's son. When the dogs attacked I had 2 roos, Odin and Ve. When I collected the first eggs after that it dawned on me recently that.....duh, Ve's rooster juice would have still be viable in the surviving hen.
My determination was easy to come to many months down the road after my brain decided to jump on board and compare photos and notes of Ve and Loki vs Odin and Loki. Also, Odin's size is a dead ringer in his offspring and Loki being very small like Ve and built more like Ve, tells me that I was way off when I thought that he was Odin's. All of the girls I have now are bigger than Loki and if he were Odin's son, this would not be the case. I have a couple of Olive Egger cockerels that Odin sired and compared to everything Loki, there is no way Odin can be his father. Loki now lives in the laying flock and will not be used for breeding.

Lensters has been here and he has seen my birds upclose and personally held Odin in his arms. He can give you his take on Odin and his dtr's, too bad that Odie was just going into a molt when Len came over, Ooooo he looked so ragged.
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I agree with you 100% - BODY makes the BREED, COLOR makes the VARIETY, and then there is the comb(easy to fix). I always select for body type, and color first. In the UK and the Netherlands, the roosters can have 5-7 points.

Even with breeding a 5 pointed roo with a 5 pointed hen, you can end up with 10 pointed chicks. Comb is all a gamble.

Nate
 
Thank you Nate for holding the fort down for me when I was sick.......first it was dd got sick Monday and again Thursday and hubby and I got it on Wed. Now I came down with ear infection and sinus infection. Bleck! It's been a very trying week for all of us and it's better now being sick than around Christmas time. My niece came down with strep and had to cancel her solo Christmas program tonight with her class and she was a bit upset. We all told her she can play for us on Christmas day!

So what have I missed?

Had plenty of snow but mostly blustry winds and below zero windchills. BRRRR! The Welsummers are handling the weather like a pro.
 
Tongue in cheek trouble LOL at the Yahoo forum.....I'm too blunt!

Now where is that APA standard for Welsummers for USA?????? I wanted to see the difference here!
 
I got in that yahoo group and never got a welcome to the group, nor did I get any questions answered. I'm not gonna mess with them anymore, it's nowhere near as good as BYC..
 
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I have that trouble also plus "foot in mouth syndrome" plus no one can tell if you are serious or not. So I decided to tell everyone that I have personality disorder syndrome.
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I tried the yahoo group also and it was a dud for me. I learn more rightch hera.
 
I am sorry you didn't feel welcome.....it has gotten to be sort of "cliche" if you get my meaning LOL! Yes BYC is a very good place to coexist. yahoo didn't have a high traffic move like it used to be.
 
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Maybe I'm just partial, but I seem to get a lot more help and learn more here. Every question I've ask here has been answered & everyone has been so helpful. I'm very happy I found BYC.
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I have that trouble also plus "foot in mouth syndrome" plus no one can tell if you are serious or not. So I decided to tell everyone that I have personality disorder syndrome.
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I tried the yahoo group also and it was a dud for me. I learn more rightch hera.

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Well I didn't care for the rooster's comb and the pale white earlobes of the pullet and the APA president and judges gave them two thumbs up..........oh well, not everyone likes the same thing. AND this breeder got a waiting list LOL and people are buying his birds very quickly at this show. Didn't say where his stock came from but one thing did stick out that the breeder said the white earlobes or pale white ones, it happens sometimes...........WHAT???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That tells me something IS going on.
 

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