The Wyandotte Thread

[turbo]

They are shown as Gold Laced by some people and (even though they - in my opinion, shouldn't be), and with some judges they win or place when shown as Gold Laced. To me. it's a case of judges ignoring the written standard. Gold's should be gold (without even a single copy of the Mahogany gene) and Red's should be red (with either a single or double copy of the Mahogany gene) and therefore I think it's time to add "Red Laced" to the standard. Or, better yet - call them all what they look like in away that makes sense.

I think we should have - at the bare minimum:

Silver Laced - which should be called Black Laced Silvers
Gold Laced - which should be called Black Laced Golds
Blue Laced Reds - already named well
Black Laced Reds - the ones you get from two Blue Laced Red's mating - 1/4 of the time
White Laced Reds - presently called Splash - what you get mating a Splash and a Blue Laced Red - half of the time
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I seriously doubt if anyone could ever get the APA to change the name of the SLW and GLW after all these years, I know it drives the Germans crazy that we have names for birds that dont really match their actual colors...have you been trolling there forums? I know they bring it up alot, they also think we should call the BLRW....Blue Lace Gold Wyandottes....

I disagree with you about calling splash White Laced Reds..since they are not white laced, they are splash laced.

Jerry​

 

[turbo]

Its my understanding that the BLRW breeders in Germany started showing their splash laced as Buff Lace Wyandottes in poultry shows...they finally had to put a stop to it because they kept beating the real Buff Laced at all the shows...of course this could be just another chicken legend, but I did read it somewhere on a forum in Germany.

Jerry

 

[McSpin]

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The Splash carries two copies of the andalusian gene. The blue variation only carries one copy of the gene.

what I meant to say is that the blr wyandotte variety has the andalusian blue gene for its coloration. Not the biology lesson over how many genes an individual bird may carry.
Blue andalusians--shown
black or splash--not shown

Blue laced red wyandotte--shown
Black or splash--of the blr variety not shown

edited for exasperation

Sorry for the biology lesson, but you were talking about genes, not opinions. "the blr wyandotte variety has the andalusian blue gene for it's coloration" is very misleading and would have a novice thinking that Splash does not contain the andalusian blue gene, which of course it does. The blue version has it's coloration from have only one andalusian blue gene. It's not the andalusian blue gene that gives blue it's color, it's the fact that there is only one blue andalusian gene that is blending with another (darker gene) to give the appearance of blue. I was simply trying to make it clear for those who might be confused. Sorry if that offended you. It was not meant to.

 

[BCBrian]

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I seriously doubt if anyone could ever get the APA to change the name of the SLW and GLW after all these years, I know it drives the Germans crazy that we have names for birds that dont really match their actual colors...have you been trolling there forums? I know they bring it up alot, they also think we should call the BLRW....Blue Lace Gold Wyandottes....

I disagree with you about calling splash White Laced Reds..since they are not white laced, they are splash laced.

Jerry

Jery,

" Trolling" is a derogatory term for people who's intent is to cause trouble by trying to promote discord. I am not "trolling"here - nor have "trolled" any other forum. On the other hand - I have read absolutely everything I can get my hands on in regards to chicken genetics, chickens in general, Wyandottes, and the proposed standard for Blue Laced Reds. I'm ok with calling them pink laced - if that were easier for people. IF they were called Blue Laced Golds - then GOLD chickens (the colour of gold) should be the ones selected for - and they should be the ones winning the shows. Once you add one or two Mahogany genes to a gold based chicken it's no longer gold - it's now red. It can (and often is) as red as a Rhode Island Red. Should theyalso be called Rhode Island Golds? White Laced Red Cornish are not called splash-laced - why should Wyandottes be?

I think we should try and name birds in such a way as to help people know what it is they are looking for in the breed. Genetic studiess can help us be consistant.

 

[Mrsfoote]

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Time is important, but don't forget the utility of a well-placed bribe! The surest way to a chickens heart is through her stomach. Bring really good treats with you every time you show up, and they'll begin to look forward to your presence.

Lacie the one in the front has turned into the SWEETEST thing ever...she walks right over to the coop door when i come to it squats for me and then jumps on her nest box and puts her head down for me to scratch shadow is a little weasle still...got a beautiful wellie yesterday from the same man i got shadow and lacie from and she's ticked at the world right now but my darling lacie lays me a beautiful egg everyday so proud of her!!

 

[turbo]

You will have to excuse my use of the word "trolling", I didn't mean it in a derogatory way...I am not as up on forum protocol as I should be, I spend most of my free time raising wyandottes and call ducks...so no offense meant..I was trying to say you must spend a lot of time reading forums on wyandottes...which is a good way to learn about wyandottes if you don't get the opportunity to meet other wyandotte breeders in person.

Back to names of wyandottes: I believe BLRW in Germany are called Gold-blauges...(someone correct me if I am wrong here) and the background color is called "rotgold", which I believe roughly translates to "red-gold", and if we were to use the same name that the Germans use (which there was a big movement among German breeders who thought we should since they believe that they originated the BLRW), we would be calling them Blue Laced Gold...however their meaning for the gold color is much different than ours. I like the name Blue Laced Red since it does describe them well......

The names of birds in the APA Standard are what they are and I doubt if anyone is going to get them renamed...even if the name really doesn't describe them...Heck why did they name them "Wyandottes" to begin with? They have nothing to do with the original natives that were here when the Europeans took over North America.

Jerry

 

[BCBrian]

Jerry,

I'm glad to know you didn't mean it as an insult. When I look at your birds pictures on your own website - I see absolutely BEAUTIFUL - Blue Laced RED chickens. With the deep dark rich desired red that makes them look stunning!

Most of your birds (if not all) appear to have a double-dose of the Mahogany gene - which is what gives them that beautiful red base colour. They are as red as any other red chicken - something you have no doubt worked hard on.

Your splashes are also deep red (with a double-dose of the Mahogany gene) but they also have a double dose of the Blue gene which gives that more or less white colour on their lacing. "Splash" is an ok term, and it is the common term. I just presented a case for why we might want to call them what the Cornish Game people call their own birds (White Laced Red) - for consistency's sake.

Because I actually (slightly) prefer them (Splashes or "White Laced Reds") to the Blue Laced Red's - I was just hoping they too might be recognized in the new upcoming new official Wyandotte standard - along with the Blue Laced Reds. I'd also like it if the Black Laced Reds from those same matings were accepted as"show-able" birds too - along with older (and long-established) Black Laced Golds (known as Gold Laced) birds. I think they all deserve their own class.

More colour recognition is better - for everyone. And since Splashes (or White Laced Reds) and Blue Laced Reds and Black Laced reds will all be produced out of the same matings - I just wish they could all be shown - with pride - in their own specific classes.

Those new classes would be a great addition to the two laced varieties we already have- the Black Laced Silvers (or "Silver-Laced" as we now call them) and with the Black Laced Golds (or "Gold Laced" - as we presently call them.

I just would hate to see birds shown in the same class (Blue Laced Reds and Gold Laced) - as the same colour - when they aren't the same colour. And as we both know Black Laced Reds are not the same colour as Gold Laced birds. Judging both of these different colours in the same class is a recipe for confusion and judging that'll be all over the place as to what is desired.

I appreciate your input in this discussion and always assumed it was to further the discussion. Your long work with the breed is evidence of your dedication to it. I only speak as a newcomer to the Blue Laced Red variety of Wyandotte - and as one who is hoping to be able to show every good looking bird I breed - regardless of how the genes of this particular colour combine.

Regards,
Brian

 

[bacres]

Hi,
I was wondering who all on here has BLR and SLW Bantams?

I have several questions about them:
1. Are they flighty?
2. Do they lay almost everyday?
3. Do they require a lot of space?
4. Can they free range?

Thanks!

 

[turbo]

I totally agree with you in regards to the Black Laced Reds should not be shown as GLW (or advertised as a GLW)....there really is a big difference in background color on the two. Also the lacing just is not as refined in the Black Laced Reds as it is in the GLW, I am really not sure why the lacing is so thick on the Black Laced...but in my line of BLRW is always is.

I like my blue in the BLRW to be a lighter blue as opposed to the darker blue...so I honestly dont use the Black Laced Reds very often in my breeding pens....I will normally use blue on blue in my breedings, but I do throw a Black Laced breeder in when the blue is just getting too light. I keep going back to the Germans....but they normally show a much lighter blue laced bird..thinking that the darker blue is not correct, but then when it comes to the Germans they have two generally accepted lines of BLRW that are shown...a deep dark red and a lighter chestnut colored bird...I like the deep red, but the lighter chestnut color is very striking.

Jerry

 

[math ace]

Celtic - - - Pocahontas, GLW hen , is BEAUTIFUL ! ! My favorite one! Do you have a young man for her ? ?