They want to make it ALL illegal. What do you think of Senate Bill 510

[oswegoscott]

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Taking it to the extremes is NOT what it's about. I strive to enjoy those close to me and the life we have. However,to maintain a reasonably content status quo one must be aware of the
threats to it. I don't seek trouble,but it is more easily seen then it's ever been in my 50+ years . If it looks like poop & smells like poop, then you need to watch where you're walking

 

[BlackBart]

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Actually, if Food, Inc is right, a lot of illegal immigrants are working those jobs.

I believe that, because a lot of North Americans are lazy.

Some farmers here employ workers from Mexico to harvest crops or work in horse stables. People around here will not work the long hours, for what they consider poor pay, but they are more than happy to collect Welfare checks. Thats all screwed up.

 

[BlackBart]

another petition.........

http://apps.facebook.com/causes/petitions/520?m=aebdba3e

 

[NYREDS]

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Exactly what is unconstitutional about agencies with juridictional authority enforcing existing laws?

The "existing laws" are unconstitutional.

Probably not, or at least that hasn't been determined by the courts. In the case cited earlier of the fellow who was fined for running a commercial farming operatiion in an area zoned commercial I think you'll find that zoning laws have been tested by the courts & found to be constitutional.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with the Constitution but there's more to determining constitutionality than determining that the law makes someone uncomfortable.

 

[buildingmyark]

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The "existing laws" are unconstitutional.

Probably not, or at least that hasn't been determined by the courts. In the case cited earlier of the fellow who was fined for running a commercial farming operatiion in an area zoned commercial I think you'll find that zoning laws have been tested by the courts & found to be constitutional.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with the Constitution but there's more to determining constitutionality than determining that the law makes someone uncomfortable.

You crack me up.

 

[NYREDS]

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Probably not, or at least that hasn't been determined by the courts. In the case cited earlier of the fellow who was fined for running a commercial farming operatiion in an area zoned commercial I think you'll find that zoning laws have been tested by the courts & found to be constitutional.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with the Constitution but there's more to determining constitutionality than determining that the law makes someone uncomfortable.

You crack me up.

What a brilliantly insightful response. I am humbled.

 

[JoAnn_WI_4-H_Mom]

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Note: that is out of context above, Wifezilla is sarcastic.

It is actually quite cheap for lawmakers to create a law, compared to the cost of effectively applying it.

I don't know how many times something bad happens, then a law is passed so the elected law makers can show their constituents that they are doing their job. They wave the laws over their heads "see, we are protecting you from bad things". And the non-elected officials are told to make it happen without any increase in funds (or inadequate increases in funds) to do the job right.

Don't make a law if we cannot afford to enforce it. If you think the situation really needs more regulation, know you will either raise taxes or cut some other area and apply the funds to the new regulation.

So S510, how much will it cost to enforce to the level we are afraid of?

 

[noodleroo]

I'd like to point out that just because a proposed law is 'unconstitutional' does not mean that it won't be passed into law. The legislative system makes the laws. It only gets repealed after a lengthy and expensive trot through the court systems. The judicial system decides what is constitutional...

 

[Katy]

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Actually, if Food, Inc is right, a lot of illegal immigrants are working those jobs.

I believe that, because a lot of North Americans are lazy.

Some farmers here employ workers from Mexico to harvest crops or work in horse stables. People around here will not work the long hours, for what they consider poor pay, but they are more than happy to collect Welfare checks. Thats all screwed up.

Yep, illegals are more than happy to work those jobs while most Americans consider themselves above the hard back breaking jobs.

 

[JoAnn_WI_4-H_Mom]

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Actually, if Food, Inc is right, a lot of illegal immigrants are working those jobs.

Have to agree. When I was young, processing birds used to be a high school and not-making-such-great-decisions adult job for locals. Now it is all Hispanics, I could not comment on their legal status (The "Government" says they must be legal and the corporation who hires them always follows regulations, right?).

This is in WI, where it is cold, but there are jobs Americans think are too dirty to do, so they come here to do them and keep our food prices low. It is a bit disappointing that our own young people are afraid to work.

I have nothing against Hispanics, or people who come to the US to work, though they should do it legally. My current subordinates are from Katmando Nepal, Tokyo Japan, Shanghai China....I guess there is one kid from Minnesota.