They want to make it ALL illegal. What do you think of Senate Bill 510

[GardenerGal]

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It's the corporations and big businesses that have the most to gain from this bill. The small businesses won't be able to afford the new fees associated with all the new requirements. This will force may small businesses to close, and thereby give an even greater market share to the large corporate factory farms. There is a reason why most large Corporate type Farms support this bill and most small farms, organic producers and organizations oppose this bill. This bill is not about food safety, but about giving greater market share to Big Business and more controll to the Federal government.

EXACTLEY!!!!! Why is this so hard to understand?

Just like NAIS. That is still rumbling beneath the public consciousness, and the USDA and its corporate pals (Cargill, et al.) will not stop until they have captured every U.S. state with it.

Corporations like Monsanto, Cargill and the others controlling the Big Agriculture and Big Food industries give me the willies. They are the ones who will benefit from this bill and NAIS while small ag/small food will be crushed by the staggering costs and regulations.

 

[NYREDS]

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Couldn't disagree more. The ability to voice these varying opinions openly is what has set this country apart from the rest of the world. [I do have to admit that political correctness & the concept of "hate speech" have eroded our freedom to a degree] Since yoy believe varying opinions are "ruining" America I imagine you think the world would be a better place if everyone would just see things your way.

PortageGirl: I don't think the sky is falling either.

Perhaps I should rephrase. I can see where my words could have been misleading, although there was no need to insult me.

It is not that varying opinions are dangerous. EXTREMISM is dangerous. Extreme left, extreme right, extreme this, extreme that... when you start imposing extreme views on a society, wars break out and the society collapses. If human history has taught us NOTHING else, it should have taught us that. We are fortunate that we have the conscious ability to learn from our mistakes, both as individuals and as a society, though political machines rarely do learn from their mistakes (not speaking necessarily in regards to this or ANY particular country, just human history and societies in general).

You're right in that the ability to freely express ourselves and our varied opinions is one of the things that makes the country great. I certainly would not be the person I am today if I did not open myself up to other ideas than my own. I didn't come out of my mama's womb with the ideas and opinions I have today... I have gathered and assimilated that information throughout the course of my life, as did we all. I recognize this and remain open to other thoughts, ideas, and opinions.

And please, do not purport to imagine that I "think the world would be a better place if everyone would just see things [my] way." I am, however, of the OPINION THAT the world would be a better place, though, if EVERYONE took a few seconds to see another person's viewpoint and at least attempt to understand it AND tried being nicer to one another while we're at it.

We do have to live in a society that has varied viewpoints and ways of living, and intolerance and extremism only creates walls of division, not a cohesive society. But don't take MY word for it. Read history. It'll tell ya.

I can't help but wonder if we'd agree on what opinions constituted intolerance & extremism. Somehow I doubt we would.

 

[mons02035]

HHandbasket. :

It is not that varying opinions are dangerous. EXTREMISM is dangerous. Extreme left, extreme right, extreme this, extreme that... when you start imposing extreme views on a society, wars break out and the society collapses. If human history has taught us NOTHING else, it should have taught us that. We are fortunate that we have the conscious ability to learn from our mistakes, both as individuals and as a society, though political machines rarely do learn from their mistakes (not speaking necessarily in regards to this or ANY particular country, just human history and societies in general).

I just want to ask. Are you saying that "extereme" views have been said in this thread? Because I have not seen any "extreme" comments. I agree that "extreme" of either side leads to hitler or stalin. Both make up left and right and both were extremes. But I'm not seeing that on here. I see comments that relate to the very beliefs of our founders, I guess at the time they were extreme but after 221 years we really should not consider them extreme anymore.​

 

[NYREDS]

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Tell this guy in Georgia
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/artic...-home-garden/19633544?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook

Taken way out of context. This guy was operating a commercial farm operation in an area that was zoned residential. Growing to sell was the issue not the growing per se. if he had been eating everything he grew he wouldn't have been fined.
This is the kind of misrepresentation that fuels hysteria.

 

[draye]

PortageGirl:

We have differing opinions about who is blind and who is not. You think I'm blind because I don't live in fear and see evil behind every tree and shrub, fearing everything and everyone. I think you're blind because you see only ill will and evil behind every tree and shrub and don't see the good that can be accomplished when .

Two sides of a coin.

I never said that I was living in fear. To the contrary, I do not live in fear, I just know these kind of people. Maybe you would do well to have a little fear yourself, since you trust these people so much.​

 

[BlackBart]

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Tell this guy in Georgia
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/artic...-home-garden/19633544?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook

Taken way out of context. This guy was operating a commercial farm operation in an area that was zoned residential. Growing to sell was the issue not the growing per se. if he had been eating everything he grew he wouldn't have been fined.
This is the kind of misrepresentation that fuels hysteria.

I don't know about the wording misrepresentation or hysteria, thats a little strong.

It is happening here but it is the McMansion people complaining about the farmers.

As the old saying goes don't complain about farming with your mouth full.

 

[buildingmyark]

http://www.greenpasture.org/community/?q=node/280

http://healthfreedoms.org/2010/07/23/raids-are-increasing-on-farms-and-private-food-supply-clubs/

 

[mons02035]

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Tell this guy in Georgia
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/artic...-home-garden/19633544?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook

Taken way out of context. This guy was operating a commercial farm operation in an area that was zoned residential. Growing to sell was the issue not the growing per se. if he had been eating everything he grew he wouldn't have been fined.
This is the kind of misrepresentation that fuels hysteria.

I just want to add, the feds will not actually go after the "backyard" guy. The locals will do that. The feds will go after companies that sell various farming stuff which will in turn either make it very expensive for the "backyard" guy or they may even not allow certain stuff to be sold the "backyard" guy. Don't look at this as them actually coming into your backyard, they won't, there are too many of us for them to do that. They will go after the fewer suppliers. They will put the little suppliers out of business, build up the much larger and even fewer supply companies and then have complete control over the large company by giving them tax breaks, pork money and telling them how they will do things if they still want to remain the only kid on the street. Don't get me wrong, this will take years and most of us will most likely never see it, but our kids will.

 

[Wifezilla]

Don't look at this as them actually coming into your backyard, they won't, there are too many of us for them to do that. They will go after the fewer suppliers. They will put the little suppliers out of business, build up the much larger and even fewer supply companies and then have complete control over the large company by giving them tax breaks, pork money and telling them how they will do things if they still want to remain the only kid on the street. Don't get me wrong, this will take years and most of us will most likely never see it, but our kids will.

Exactly....though the pace seems to be accelerating. We may very well see it.​

 

[BlackBart]

Don't you think the raids one raw milk producers and local vegetables growers are meant to scare other poeple who might be thinking of starting the same business?
Most people I know think that is the intent.