This just makes me sick!

[rebelcowboysnb]

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Oh that is so wrong here if the fire department fails a businesses inspection you are closed. If you are building a house in a high fire zone you must get first your plans oked by the fire department and inspected after you build.

Is that the FD or is it someone that is licensed by the state as a fire inspector that happens to work at/be stationed at the FD?

 

[hemet dennis]

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Oh that is so wrong here if the fire department fails a businesses inspection you are closed. If you are building a house in a high fire zone you must get first your plans oked by the fire department and inspected after you build.

Is that the FD or is it someone that is licensed by the state as a fire inspector that happens to work at/be stationed at the FD?

It is the fire department

 

[hemet dennis]

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HAHAHAHAHAHA By that twisted logic there is never any protection from anything so we are all doomed

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Thats not twisted logic. That is how the law sees it.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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Dont live in Ca but the Internet says the person that does safety inspections is a Ca State Fire Marshal, who is a law enforcement officer that is also usually a trained firemen, many of which are stationed in local fire departments.

 

[hemet dennis]

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Dont live in Ca but the Internet says the person that does safety inspections is a Ca State Fire Marshal, who is a law enforcement officer that is also usually a trained firemen, many of which are stationed in local fire departments.

When you get a site inspection the fire station covering your area comes out they bring the truck and the whole crew, the same with business inspections. but your business can also be inspected by the state they do mostly big places schools, hospitals, jails, concert halls, theaters, court houses but the small business is going to be inspected by the local fire station. they will sometimes go to a shopping center and if there is 5 guy on the truck they will inspect 5 businesses at once.

 

[dainerra]

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you do realize that we PAY for our police officers and military, right? Those guys don't volunteer and the companies that make the cars and trucks and hummers and tanks don't just donate them for free. It's called taxes. Even if you rent, the person who owns your property pays TAXES for those services.

If you live in the city and pay extra taxes for city police (in addition to county taxes for the sheriff's office) do you want the city police to be driving around the county? Or do you expect them to be in the CITY doing the job they were hired to do?

The firefighters did nothing wrong. They went to the scene, since both owners were there and were able to be asked "is anyone inside" they made sure the fire was contained. I would be surprised if they didn't tell the homeowners "don't go back inside" but it would be the police's job to stop that.

Most fire depts have a policy to NOT go in for pets or belongings. Why? Because as much as I love my dogs, I don't value them more than someone's father/husband/son.

 

[dainerra]

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honestly, that is a dang good way for the cop to lose his job actually. He doesn't have the training or equipment to go into the house. So now, when the firemen get there, there are TWO people to save.

It's the same way that police will actually arrest you if you try to go back into a burning building. It ADDS to the danger instead of helping.

My husband has worked as both a volunteer fireman and as a police officer. The 2 groups work together, but they don't try to do each others' jobs.

A cop that doesn't intervene when people are beating you up would be ignoring a CRIME. That isn't "protecting" as in preventing crime, that is reacting after the crime has been started. But, as someone said, police are a deterrent and protection against crime by the fact that they exist. "Oh if I do something wrong, someone will call the police and I will be arrested" If that thought isn't enough, then the crime will be committed and the police will try to solve it.

Shoot, even superman didn't "prevent" crime. He showed up after someone started screaming for help

here, police can be an hour or two away. Believe me, I don't depend on them to show up and protect me if something was to happen.

 

[dainerra]

I'm with the "good job firemen" crowd. even though the fee hadn't been paid, they showed up to make sure no people were at risk. If someone had been inside, they would have gone after them.

As for not knowing about the fee, I don't even live in that STATE and I know about it because it was all over national news a year ago when it happened to another home in the area.

To say "oh I didn't know" is the height of irresponsibility of the homeowner. That would be like saying "I didn't know it was illegal to....."

When you move into an area, it's YOUR job to see what fire coverage you have, what fees/taxes there are, what rules governing what you can/can't do on your property. If I buy a piece of property and then find out I can't put a certain type of business on it, is it the zoning boards fault or is it mine for not doing my research.

As for not being able to afford it, there are ways to get around that. There are certain things that you HAVE to afford. Car insurance if you buy a car. Homeowner's insurance if you own a home.

Let me know how much sympathy that you feel if you get plowed by an uninsured driver and now all the repairs are coming out of your own pocket. I'm sure that they couldn't afford the insurance either and that's way more than $75 a year. Shoot, I pay extra for "uninsured motorist" coverage, just in case I get in an accident with someone who doesn't have insurance. Yeah, it's an additional fee, but I'm glad to pay it because I can't afford to pay for someone else's lack of judgement.

In different articles, the people have said/insinuated that they knew about the fee, but chose not to pay it because they didn't think that they would have a fire. Well, they gambled and lost.

 

[EweSheep]

This is what I got in my email from a lady that is doing the protesting:

Vicky Bell and her husband, who live in rural Obion County, Tennessee, did not pay a $75 fee to the local fire department for emergency coverage. Because Vicky and her husband live outside the city limits of South Fulton, they must pay for the same protections that residents receive for free.

Recently, their home caught fire. As they desperately tried to retrieve their things and escape the flames, they could see firefighters outside on the street, watching impassively, doing nothing. Worst of all, this is the second time this has happened in Obion County in one year.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/obion-county-dont-stand-by-and-watch-homes-burn-down/


If the residents receive the FD services for free, then there is something really wrong here. The mayor really needs to revise the taxes that EVERYONE should get this service for free.

I would love to know the original victims from that area. How would the FD KNOW they didn't pay? Did they look up the book before jumping on the truck to make sure they paid????? I don't get it at all.

OR is it the FACT, when they ARRIVED, they checked around by asking the homeowners if anyone is out. If so, the captain would have looked over the severity of the fire, how fast it is burning and the odds of surviving and protecting his own men MOST likely outweigh the decision to go and get the pets and knowingly the fire is too advanced to put it out. Why waste water on something you know it is not going to save anything when it is fully engulfed? Let it burn, they may have said because the house is too far gone and don't want to waste water and manpower to fight something they will never win.

After the fire has happened, the homeowners may have experience anger and grief and shock, seeing all the guys standing around making sure nothing has spread. Give it a few days to a week, they would think more clearly. Somewhere down the line, something or someone may have thought "oh, I didn't pay my fee, that is why they are standing around!" or someone mentioned about the fee. There is some glitch somewhere in that story.