Those who need help in sexing peafowl

[zazouse]

So what ya think now Birdrain? all say hens so far.

 

[zazouse]

I have a question, I wing sex my peafowl based on the color of the primaries and sex peafowl based on the shape of the neck feather not the barring of the shoulder. The peafowl on the right I believe to be a male his name is Thor, he is 7 months old Indian Blue Pied and the one on the left I believe is a hen her name is Calypso who is also an Indian Blue Pied. One thing to let you know about their genetics both of them are pure brother and sister and their parents are pure Indian Blue Pieds so don't think that Calypso is a Spalding.

Jadyn Vetos Please tell me what sex Thor is and tell me why you think Thor is a he or she. I think male because of the orange primaries and the shape of the neck feathers and that he weighs more then Calypso don't know how much but having the two of them on my arm I can tell Thor weighs more then Calypso.

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  I think they are both hens
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  I think hens are more valuable than males but that's just me
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  Jadyn Vetos I'm assuming it's because he has no barring on his shoulders is why you believe Thor is female.
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• I'm guessing both hens, comparing them to my seven month and six-and-a-half month males.​
  

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  Both hens because of the lack of barring on the back. I could tell on mine at less than 4 months old. Definitely easier if you have others to compare against. Both my hens ended up having one male and two females each.
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  It would be more accurate to say you "believe" them to be siblings, and "believe" them to be pure IB (you don't know this for a fact -- you're basing this on what the seller told you, and the seller could be mistaken or simply lying). If I saw the bird on the left for the first time, I'd assume it to be a Spaulding of low Green percentage. It's possible for them to be siblings, being as Spauldings will vary in phenotype. But for them to both be "pure IB" AND be full siblings is not very likely. And I'd guess that you have two females, but you'll know for sure soon enough.
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  Both hens. One on left Spaulding.
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  Another point of contention -- if they are full siblings, and both parents were IB Pied, then Calypso should have some white feathering. Pied X Pied = 25% Dark Pied, 50% Pied, 25% White. Calypso does not appear to be either of those, while Thor(a) appears to be Dark Pied. If, as is common among peafowl breeders who don't fully understand basic genetics, inaccurate terminology was used to describe the parents' phenotypes and they weren't "true Pied" but were instead, perhaps, Dark Pied, split to Pied, or split to White (either both parents or just one), then chances are you'd still most likely have all their offspring being marked in some degree with white -- even if just a little under the beak or a wing feather or two. Does Calypso display any of that? If not, that's more evidence that the birds are NOT full siblings, which is also more evidence that the seller either doesn't know much about the birds sold to you or was mistaken. In any case, "because I said so" is not enough to make something true if evidence suggests otherwise.
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  Aqua thora is not a dark pied look at all the white she has, i agree with you on Calypso being a spalding and she does have more white you just can't see it she looks like a dark pied IMO

 

[AugeredIn]

.....and the first comment is about spalding blood! Because there is obviously spalding in one or both birds.

 

[3BirdGirlz]

But he's still going to trust and believe they're pure...and say Thora is a Thor

 

[AnimalsRmyLife]

Wow... the whole post and all the comments directly via Facebook.

 

[casportpony]

Wow... the whole post and all the comments directly via Facebook.

Got to love copy and paste!

-Kathy

 

[new 2 pfowl]

Here's the ongoing conversation. Of course you know that Christopher is one of out valued contributors here!

• Christopher Gordon Another point of contention -- if they are full siblings, and both parents were IB Pied, then Calypso should have some white feathering. Pied X Pied = 25% Dark Pied, 50% Pied, 25% White. Calypso does not appear to be either of those, while Thor(a) appears to be Dark Pied. If, as is common among peafowl breeders who don't fully understand basic genetics, inaccurate terminology was used to describe the parents' phenotypes and they weren't "true Pied" but were instead, perhaps, Dark Pied, split to Pied, or split to White (either both parents or just one), then chances are you'd still most likely have all their offspring being marked in some degree with white -- even if just a little under the beak or a wing feather or two. Does Calypso display any of that? If not, that's more evidence that the birds are NOT full siblings, which is also more evidence that the seller either doesn't know much about the birds sold to you or was mistaken. In any case, "because I said so" is not enough to make something true if evidence suggests otherwise.
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  Christina Bishop Aqua thora is not a dark pied look at all the white she has, i agree with you on Calypso being a spalding and she does have more white you just can't see it she looks like a dark pied IMO
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[AnimalsRmyLife]

Got to love copy and paste!

-Kathy

Yes yes yes!! Makes things 100% times easier than writing every word out.

 

[casportpony]

Here's the ongoing conversation. Of course you know that Christopher is one of out valued contributors here!

• Christopher Gordon Another point of contention -- if they are full siblings, and both parents were IB Pied, then Calypso should have some white feathering. Pied X Pied = 25% Dark Pied, 50% Pied, 25% White. Calypso does not appear to be either of those, while Thor(a) appears to be Dark Pied. If, as is common among peafowl breeders who don't fully understand basic genetics, inaccurate terminology was used to describe the parents' phenotypes and they weren't "true Pied" but were instead, perhaps, Dark Pied, split to Pied, or split to White (either both parents or just one), then chances are you'd still most likely have all their offspring being marked in some degree with white -- even if just a little under the beak or a wing feather or two. Does Calypso display any of that? If not, that's more evidence that the birds are NOT full siblings, which is also more evidence that the seller either doesn't know much about the birds sold to you or was mistaken. In any case, "because I said so" is not enough to make something true if evidence suggests otherwise.
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  Christina Bishop Aqua thora is not a dark pied look at all the white she has, i agree with you on Calypso being a spalding and she does have more white you just can't see it she looks like a dark pied IMO
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That is some good info. -Kathy

 

[DylansMom]

Just posted it on facebook.

Okay, so here we are 15 hours later and from my count we have opinions from 6 people all saying hen, this sound right to you? And even though you distinctly told people not to think Calypso is a spalding, some still do..... WHY?........ Because seeing is believing and everything else including what the breeder told you, is Hearsay. If you still choose to believe that Calypso is pure blue with no green blood, please explain what would make a pure blue bird look more like a spalding than a blue? You've told us you have no experience with greens or spaldings, correct? If so, why do you insist that those of us who do have experience with both blues and greens/spaldings, are total idiots who don't know what we are looking at? I do not think I'm the only one on this forum who has been just a little bit offended from time to time by that attitude. You started this thread with the intention of "EDUCATING" those less talented and knowledgible than yourself. So please educate us "Why would a pure blue look like a green?"