Thoughts on Universal healthcare

[HennysMom]

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I'm always confused when Americans start spouting off about how "free" they are. In what way, specifically, are we any more "free" than England, Canada, France, etc.?

Consider this:

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This is one thing that gives us Americans far less actual freedom than the citizens of Canada, England, France, etc.

Our system of healthcare tied to employment was designed by the rich to keep the working class working.

Mr. Proletariate says, "You want to get all uppity and start your own business, silly dreamer? You'd better be very healthy and get rich before you get sick, or you'll come crawling back to Wal*Mart for the bennies!"

And you all buy into it because you're brainwashed into thinking that you're so "free" and that everyone else is not.

Its called the Constitution.... thats why millions of people flock here to this "free" country each and every year .....

Who says anyone's brainwashed? you? - you have your opinions and others have thiers - doesnt make you right and them wrong now does it? NOPE..


Here's my take - if you dont like this "free" country - pack it up and move out of it. Simple as that - oh, and by the way, THAT is another "free right" 'given unto those Americans that many from other places in the world cannot even fathom of doing...

 

[Dar]

its ok nappa you can come here...lol

 

[farmerlor]

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Y'know, just because some people see some things about America that could be changed for the betterment of all doesn't make them any less patriotic or insinuate that they love America any less than those people who think everything is just hunky dory the way it is. To tell someone to leave their country just because they want to make something better is a little arrogant.

 

[HennysMom]

and yet to tell everyone else that their opinions are nothing and they are brainwashed in their way of thinking is okay?

Uhm.. no.. sorry its not...

 

[ursusarctosana]

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Gun Rights is just an example, it is no secret that the new administration wants to remove rights. Lose one right and soon you will lose them all. Thanks for the snippet though, I had expected from someone.

Constitution was written for a reason - however it seems it can be "re-written at will" as of late

and yes... we do value our right to bear arms - after all - that amenedment was created to protect the people FROM the government.. not the other way around.

ETA: I agree with you WWolf - and add to that you can now be denied a job for your credit history as well as made to take a "personality indictator test" (i.e., Myers Briggs) to see if you're "compatible" with management. Now where is the "non-discriminatory" act in that I ask? Uh huh.... *major eye roll here*

"we do value our right to bear arms - after all - that amenedment was created to protect the people FROM the government.. not the other way around."

YES!

I don't think, in my idealistic reality, guns are necessary, but my idealistic reality does not include bad people and there will always be "evil" people out there. An evil person, to me, is anyone who harms another human being physically (though emotionally counts, too) or threatens their life with violence. Once a person is physically moving toward another person to harm them, I think self-defense measures are reasonable. And, if that includes shooting someone, I have no doubt I could do it if they were threatening my life, or the lives of my loved ones. (I'm quite afraid of the unpredictable behavior of other people; they scare me.) Personally, I only carry a can of grizzly bear repellent, but I'm prepared to use it on any imbecile who gets out of their car and approaches me (those road rage idiots).

When I was a child there were rifles, including the incredible Mannlicher and a .30-06 sitting to the right of the doorway. My grandmother carried a Smith & Wesson .38 revolver gifted to her from her father (who was a homesteader who resided within the borders of Glacier National Park) and a .22 with slide-action that she kept close by, too. This was my grandma.

Guns were commonplace. We never would have thought of messing with them. That's how we were raised. We even had our own. When I was a girl of six or seven I traded some sheep for a .22 rifle. I remember shooting it into the woodpile, but my grandpa had to stay close by. It was a terrifying experience for me, because I have a sensory disorder and I was frightened of guns. After that I didn't feel the need to shoot it. The noise was too much for me.

In countries like Wales, where firearms have been banned for a long time, they're already accustomed to living without them, so mostly the people, like farmers, who own them have antiquated war guns stowed away. But for a country, like the U.S., taking firearms away "may be" impractical and "may" lead to higher crime rate.

In Switzerland there is even more gun freedom than here, with all of the able-bodied young men issued military weapons that they store at home; however, currently there is a move to ban such weapons. This may be an interesting situation to follow.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/front/M...ect=105&sid=10366555&cKey=1235392065000&ty=st

Oops! I think I magnified the off-topic scenario.

 

[Dar]

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no one is trying to tell you that your opinions are nothing and are brain washed....

but what we are trying to say is have an open mind...
be open to the idea that maybe somewhere down the line you may have been mis guided on some of the info you were given ...

and what worked way back in my grand dads day in regards to health care is no longer a viable option and somewhere progression needs to be made

you do make a lot of valid points

 

[ursusarctosana]

And, furthermore, what about the idea that corporations are running this country? After all it is a Capitalist Representative Republic, is it not? The politicians are tied-in with the corporations. The government, on the other hand, from what I've observed, seems to be kind of a joke.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

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Those other countries all have their own versions of a "Constitution". The Constitution is not quite the ground-breaking, precedent-setting, holy grail of documents that Americans have been led to believe it is.

By the way, before you try to expel me you ought to know that I am a former Marine. You're welcome.

 

[HennysMom]

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no one is trying to tell you that your opinions are nothing and are brain washed....

but what we are trying to say is have an open mind...
be open to the idea that maybe somewhere down the line you may have been mis guided on some of the info you were given ...

and what worked way back in my grand dads day in regards to health care is no longer a viable option and somewhere progression needs to be made

you do make a lot of valid points

Yes they did:

Quote: "And you all buy into it because you're brainwashed into thinking that you're so "free" and that everyone else is not."

Thats insulting at best and not the first time this poster has insulted people on this particular posting, sorry. Going to stand my ground on this one.

I am VERY open to all ideaologies - if you recall I'm the one that asked you and everyone else under the UHS to post what where its pros and cons so we could compare, remember? I am not for UHS the way our gov't wants it, absolutely not - what I am for is REFORM, I've said it over and over again - oversight, regulation and mandatory set fees - that is what we need, not "all for one, one for all gov't mandated factions" that doesnt work, look at the military and Medicare/Medicaide and state run programs. Doesnt work, sorry.

I'm very open to debating - I said that last night - what I'm against is others bashing everyone else for their views while pushing their own as "the gospel". That my friend, is arrogance and ignorance at its finest.

Onward and upward....

 

[HennysMom]

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Those other countries all have their own versions of a "Constitution". The Constitution is not quite the ground-breaking, precedent-setting, holy grail of documents that Americans have been led to believe it is.

By the way, before you try to expel me you ought to know that I am a former Marine. You're welcome.

Good - Semper Fi to you then -

From a family of Marines myself; grandfather, father, brother and sister....