Tolbunt Polish

[welasharon]

Yes she is a bit man-ish. I think someone told me 25% chance maybe? of a frazzle. I think there is some chance of smooth. The lady I got this pair from hatched eggs from the parents (two frizzleds) and they were mine...next batch had some smooth in it. I know so little about this. I will have to ask lots of questions as I go.

 

[eeyore75]

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I want ANY Tolbunts...

I would love, love, love to raise these birds. I'm captivated by them!

Nat, where on Earth did you find hatching eggs?

Watch ebay- Jim the Polish Club secy sell eggs on there

I think SportJeepster & Acid_Chipmunk said they would have young adults available in Oct

Baregretchen has some pet ones for people not breeding them available either now or soon

run a search on Tolbunt in the title on BYC- there are alot of answers to be found in the wanted section.......

 

[eeyore75]

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It's worth the risk when they are your only ones!!! I'd do it to mantain back ups while the GL/Tolbunt project was running too.

 

[welasharon]

Thank you. That is what I was thinking. My husband is gonna choke. I had to have the seramas....then I saw the tolbunt and was lucky enough to get them...and then I drove 1200 miles to the end of Florida to get some o shamo....I'm gonna need a general chicken pen for the excess....
I think this is beyond chicken math....I think I am headed into algebra...
sharon

 

[eeyore75]

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OOOOOOO just think if you throw them all in the same pen what funky chickens you'd hatch out!!!!!! The O'Shamos honestly would likey kill most of the others after a bit!!! My friend has a O'Shamo roo..... he's cool- but not my thing. I love Seramas though..... the tiny mottled funky mixed up color ones...... and speckled Sussex, EE's splash/blue americanas, plus could use a maran, Barnvelder, & Olive egger for fun eggs.......

I'm good with the Polish right now (and my 2 little Millie Fluer D'Unccles- hoping both are hens- just want them as pets) I have to get the new barn set up for the Polish pens I want. Plus next year I will get a all hen egg pen w/ several breeds that lay differant egg colors. Maybe a EE roo would be fun in that pen........ nah.

As far as the frizzle gene goes- I think of it like the broken gene in rabbits (rabbit genetics I know fron & back- chicken ones..... not yet) For the proper broken pattern you want Enen (1 solid, 1 broken gene) if you get a double solid set- you get a solid rabbit, if you get a double broken set- you get charlie marked. If you breed a charlie to a solid- you get 100% brokens. 2 brokens bred together -are suppose to- give you 50% broken, 25% solid & 25% charlie. In reality- you may get only solids & charlies though if you breed 2 brokens- yes I've had that happen..... more than once.

Anyway.... you have two...... if something would happen to one of them- you'd be set back in your project. If you only have one and after 2 breeding seasons you lost it now..... you'd have pretty birds- but not back to "Tolbunt" true colors from the Gold Lace crosses. Let the breeding happen unless you can get a few others before that.

 

[welasharon]

It was a true stroke of luck for me that I got these two! They are still young...5 months but they are beginning to show more of the hen and rooster traits. I will put them together for a bit till I get some hatchable eggs and then after that will put the GL in also...or keep teh hens separate and move him around? Not sure. I have a little time to figure it out.
sharon

 

[eeyore75]

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If it was me- since it would be a pure Tolbunt, or 1st generation cross to GL (depending on the hen)- I'd throw them all in a pen (with him as the only roo, no other breeds like my last post thought would be fun). I'd collect the eggs all week and every friday (we'll say-but any day would work) I'd put them in the bator. next group goes in following friday- candle the first group- pitch the clear eggs/bad eggs. Next week same thing- candle the 1 & 2nd batches. At each set's 18 day along pull the ones to hatch and put them in a hatcher (2nd small bator) for lockdown.

You wouldn't know til they hatched if it was a Tolbunt or a 1st generation GL/Tolbunt cross- but you would know when it hatched which it is. If you are not selling the eggs- it doesn't hurt to not know til they hatch out.

The the GL/Tolbunt babies crossed back to Tolbunt roo (or another Tolbunt roo) and the following back to Tolbunt cross would need a seperate pen to know what generation you are on.

Myself- I want at least 4 breeder pens at some point:
1) pure Tolbunt
2) Tolbunt x Gold Lace
3) Tolbunt/GL x Tolbunt
4) Tolbunt/GL/Tolbunt x Tolbunt (say that 5 times fast)
After that point I believe they could go back to the Tolbunt pen


Plus a few grow out pens......... yup- I can just do this one breed/variety

I guess I could have a WC B/B/S pen oo if I wanted to show someday

 

[Illia]

Personally, I would never breed a half Tolbunt back to a Tolbunt, or even a 3/4 back, unless I KNEW that they were unrelated. There's already enough inbreeding and small genepools out there as is, crossing out to a Gold Laced once then back into Tolbunts over and over doesn't solve the issue one bit. That's how the issue started, actually. Crossed out to an Orloff for example, then back to Tolbunt over and over. . . .

 

[sonew123]

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I want ANY Tolbunts...

I would love, love, love to raise these birds. I'm captivated by them!

Nat, where on Earth did you find hatching eggs?

Jeremy-the eggs came from a good friend of my hubbies. No one really knows this person has them and they asked him to keep it that way because they aren't out to sell them or anything-they are working to improve the lines/breed for now. They asked my Dh to help raise them for a back up just in case something bad happens to their birds. So I guess you can say were surrogates? hahaha
We got 24 eggs-17 made it to lockdown...15 hatched??? 10 pures...the night they went into their brooder-something happened with their waterer and it tipped over in the middle of the night-I heard loud screaming peeping in the middle of the night and ran to the brooder. The whole waterer was empty and all chicks were drenched and 5 had drowned It was only one of those small waterers--you know the plastic like quart containers? In 5 years I had never seen or heard of this happening?? I put all chicks back in bator over night-by the next morning all the ones I put in were dried and fluffed again-healthy as horses but boy it was a sad thing to witness at 3 am and feel completely responsible for those the death of the babies

 

[eeyore75]

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You can't get back to the correct Tolbunt Color without taking them back to Tolbunt. You could get the pattern crossing the F1's together- but the red would be washed out to gold without taking them back to Tolbunt.
SportJeepster put a post on from the top chicken guru at PSU- he advised to outcross take back to Tolbunt for 5 generations, then re outcross.
Personally- I do think along your lines on the "unrelated" Tolbunt- that is why I would like some from a few other people, and F1/F2/etc outcrosses (other Polish color) from people. If you either kept them seperate by pen and use color coded leg bands in non breeding group pens- you would have years of bird genes to work with. ALOT of record keeping though. I still have my rabbit pedigree program- I think between excel, notepads, and the pedigree program- it will work fine for me to keep track of who is related to who while playing. Of course they all come from the first few birds brought over. Of course- with out new Tolbunt blood- I can still get new Polish blood.
As far as WelaSharon goes- with 2 birds to work off of and wanting backups so she doesn't loose the line- she might as well get a few babies off them to mantain extra Tolbunts while she is working on her outcross to Gold Lace.