Too Early for Feb Hatch-A-Long Thread??

[Fur-N-Fowl]

Aww so many adorable babies, I'm loving the pictures!!!

This hatch is over, the two difficult assists actually made it to hatch!

The three I didn't expect to make it all have some issues but I'm hoping they'll overcome them. The first assisted baby that hatched just had a minor problem with splay leg. I put a hobble on her and she is getting around great now. The other assisted baby and the one who hatched from my iffy looking dirty egg who I also assisted (it was positioned with the feet over head so an easy assist) both have curled toes, one on both feet and the other on just one foot. They also had really stiff legs at hatch. The first that has the curled toes on both feet seems to be getting much better at using its legs and they seem much less stiff now. The other still has one leg that is very stiff, I tried seeing if the knee would bend but it really bothered the chick so I'm leaving it be for now and hoping it will improve given some more time. I put band aid boots to help with the curled toes on both chicks.

I'll try to get some pictures of all the babies soon.



He is a beautiful boy!





What a neat looking color! I have no idea what it will end up like but I bet it will be interesting!

I would show photos but I don’t want to risk it for copyright etc but in the Silkie and Silkie Bantams book, there’s a section on the genetics of traits.

One of the sections talks about how some paints carry Cla, Coc and Cop genes which I think it says they are recessive. They can cause crippled legs and feet in chicks bred from paint x paint and split to paints.

I'm rubbish with genetics but maybe there’s some relation to it

Beautiful chicks though, glad they made it!

 

[LynnaePB]

I would show photos but I don’t want to risk it for copyright etc but in the Silkie and Silkie Bantams book, there’s a section on the genetics of traits.

One of the sections talks about how some paints carry Cla, Coc and Cop genes which I think it says they are recessive. They can cause crippled legs and feet in chicks bred from paint x paint and split to paints.

I'm rubbish with genetics but maybe there’s some relation to it

Beautiful chicks though, glad they made it!

Thank you!

Hmmm that sounds really interesting about those genes. I'd never heard anything about them before, I wonder how prevalent they are in the american paints?

I tried looking up more about it but no luck finding anything. I can't wait to actually get the book, it sounds super useful!

The little paint in the middle definitely has the worst problems. The hock on the one leg hasn't loosened at all. There isn't any way for me to straighten the leg and wrap it like you would a slipped tendon since the joint just won't budge. Out of the three little ones I had to assist I think this one is the only one that really isn't out of the woods yet.

 

[smfarman]

What a difficult first hatch! I'm sorry! I hope that your next hatch goes wonderfully! Remind me what is your new incubator?

Nuture right 360

 

[Fur-N-Fowl]

Thank you!

Hmmm that sounds really interesting about those genes. I'd never heard anything about them before, I wonder how prevalent they are in the american paints?

I tried looking up more about it but no luck finding anything. I can't wait to actually get the book, it sounds super useful!

The little paint in the middle definitely has the worst problems. The hock on the one leg hasn't loosened at all. There isn't any way for me to straighten the leg and wrap it like you would a slipped tendon since the joint just won't budge. Out of the three little ones I had to assist I think this one is the only one that really isn't out of the woods yet.

I’ll have another read of it when I get home, it’s a really small section but still gives a bit of info!

I know on part of it, it did say that some are born with the joint not properly positioned so their legs never straighten and of course they can’t eat so they don’t make it.

I think the different genes cause different leg problems but I’ll be sure to have another look for you

 

[CluckNDoodle]

I’ll have another read of it when I get home, it’s a really small section but still gives a bit of info!

I know on part of it, it did say that some are born with the joint not properly positioned so their legs never straighten and of course they can’t eat so they don’t make it.

I think the different genes cause different leg problems but I’ll be sure to have another look for you

Wow, this is great information to know! Thank you!

 

[Floydie]

Are painted silkies what would be considered Roan or Merle?

 

[Floydie]

Google tells me yes. Well maybe... Well I know in guinea pigs if you breed 2 roans you have the risk of getting "lethal whites" that are born with eye problems and often missing teeth. They don't often survive. In dogs breed 2 Merle and you can get problems with the pups too. I've worked with the roan genes in Cavies and you should breed roan to soild colours.. you will get a mix of roan and solids. The roan gene cannot be carried it's either roan or it's not. Although you can get "hidden roan" a soild with a few hidden white hairs making that pig roan. Don't know if that helps converted to chickens but it may work similar...

 

[AgnesGray]

I'm learning so much from you all!

 

[LynnaePB]

I’ll have another read of it when I get home, it’s a really small section but still gives a bit of info!

I know on part of it, it did say that some are born with the joint not properly positioned so their legs never straighten and of course they can’t eat so they don’t make it.

I think the different genes cause different leg problems but I’ll be sure to have another look for you

Thank you!

The little paint with the joint issue didn't make it. It passed away just a few hours ago. I'm guessing their may have been other more serious problems internally. I'm sad but I think it's for the best. I'm pretty sure this was a case where the joint wasn't properly positioned and it wouldn't have gotten better. The joint did look different comparing one side to the other, the bad side it was slightly twisted and wider and flatter than the other good side. I found some old threads where chicks hatched with the same issue and either the author never updated on how the chick did or the chick died on its own/had to be put down because it was suffering.

The other two assisted chicks are still doing great thankfully. I took off the hobble and boots today and the issues seem to be corrected. They both look like perfectly normal little chicks now.

Google tells me yes. Well maybe... Well I know in guinea pigs if you breed 2 roans you have the risk of getting "lethal whites" that are born with eye problems and often missing teeth. They don't often survive. In dogs breed 2 Merle and you can get problems with the pups too. I've worked with the roan genes in Cavies and you should breed roan to soild colours.. you will get a mix of roan and solids. The roan gene cannot be carried it's either roan or it's not. Although you can get "hidden roan" a soild with a few hidden white hairs making that pig roan. Don't know if that helps converted to chickens but it may work similar...

That is really interesting! I don't know enough about merle and roan to be able to say if paint works like they do?

Paint is created when there is one copy of dominant white and one copy of black. When you breed two paints together you can get white chicks who inherited two copies of dominant white, black chicks who didn't get white from either of the parents, and paint chicks. The dominant white inhibits black pigment but it's considered leaky so when you only have one copy of it some black spots usually show up. You can create the color pretty easily if you cross breeds where one parent is dominant white and the other is black. Austra whites are a good example of this, they are a cross between a white leghorn and a black australorp.

I think sometimes oddities pop up and there is probably more to it than just that but from my understanding that is the gist of paint.

 

[Floydie]

White spotting gene then? Whites from black. Do you get red (yellow) baised whites in chickens? Dilutes? You could maybe have other paint colours if so.

I need to look into the genetics behind the colours in birds. (quail for me mostly) There's usually some sort of overlap across different species, and some morphs only found in certain species. Sorry way off topic.