Top Ten Worming and Wormer Misinformations - Graphic Pictures!

[jennykpna]

As you know, chickens are experts at hiding health problems as not to be eaten by predators...instinct for survival. By the time we see symptoms of whatever the problem is, it requires treatment. Otherwise the chickens health will deteriorate and/or will have to be culled to protect flockmates.
If you are reluctant to use a wormer, at least put fresh fecal samples in a ziplock bag and take it to a vet and have them checked for internal parasites.

That is a thought. Take stool samples to check for worms. Do even people who go organic deworm their chickens usually? Any thoughts? I'll call the shop too. B

 

[dawg53]

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I've been there and done that with so called organic wormers. They give YOU a false sense of security until you see one of your chickens acting lethargic or laying down on her side loaded up with worms. Would you take organics if you had a bellyful of worms?

 

[casportpony]

Wazine (piperazine) treats roundworms.

Pyrantel Pamoate treats roundworms, not sure what else it treats.

Safeguard given once at a high enough dose (0.23 ml per pound) for one day treats roundworms and cecal worms, but does not treat gapeworms and capillary worms.

Safeguard given at 0.23 ml per pound for five consecutive days treats roundworms, cecal worms, gapeworms, capillary worms and *possibly* some species of tapes. I say "possibly" because there is a study that claims that, but people on BYC have reported that it doesn't.

Valbazen given at 0.08ml per pound treats roundworms, cecal worms, capillary worms and *possibly* tapeworms, but it will not treat gapeworms with just one dose, though it will if given three days in a row.

Zimecterin Gold has ivermectin and praziquantel. Ivermectin is unlikely to treat any worms in birds, but the praziquantel will treat tapeworms.

Equimax - Same ingredients as Zimectrin Gold, but has about twice as much praziquantel as Zimecterin Gold, so one only needs to use half as much, which means a tube will treat twice as many birds.

Does that help at all?

-Kathy

 

[jennykpna]

I've been there and done that with so called organic wormers. They give YOU a false sense of security until you see one of your chickens acting lethargic or laying down on her side loaded up with worms. Would you take organics if you had a bellyful of worms?

So the grain store lady has tons of birds and says she does topical ivermectin injectable solution topically to the back of the chickens neck once a year to kill everything. Then will treat for worms if she sees them in their stool. That sounds reasonable to me.

 

[casportpony]

I've been there and done that with so called organic wormers. They give YOU a false sense of security until you see one of your chickens acting lethargic or laying down on her side loaded up with worms. Would you take organics if you had a bellyful of worms?

So the grain store lady has tons of birds and says she does topical ivermectin injectable solution topically to the back of the chickens neck once a year to kill everything. Then will treat for worms if she sees them in their stool. That sounds reasonable to me.

We can show you several studies that show ivermectin is *not* an effective poultry worm when given at the proper dose. Would you like to see those?

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Can also show you pictures of dead birds full of worms that were treated with ivermectin.

-Kathy

 

[dawg53]

Ivermectin injectable is just that; injected...not used as a topical application as it will not absorb quickly through the skin into the bloodstream. However ivermectin pour on is used for topical application you're are referring to. Ivermectin may be effective as wormer in other animals, but it is ineffective as a wormer in poultry due to its overuse as a miteacide in poultry. In other words, worms have built resistance to the product in poultry. I know this first hand, had it happen when I used to use ivermectin in my chickens. Recently, northern fowl mites have built resistance to ivermectin as well...not surprising to me at all.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1439-0450.1989.tb00635.x/abstract

 

[MrsBrooke]

@jennykpna, I just got a bottle of Valbazen. We can do it together!

MrsB

 

[casportpony]

For the past year of owning chickens I have used just ivermec sheep pour on for control of parasites and internal worms. I did research and read in several places that in treats All worms.. I found out the hard way that this isn't true.
I purchased a nice silkie about to months ago to join my flock, she seemed a bit lethargic when I got her home so I wormed her with ivermec and put her in quarantine. Over the next few months she didn't improve. I followed all the recommendations for a sick chicken and gave her some different medicines. She died a few days ago.
Because I was curious as to what she died from I did an autopsy, thinking maybe I would find cancer or a blockage In her gut. Wrong again!
I took the courage up and cut her open and took all the guts out. Definitely not for the weak stomach, it smells (and looks) disgusting! Both caecals were inflamed but other then that I couldn't see much wrong.
I them decided to cut her intestine to look inside to check for damage. Thats when u saw it.. The intestines almost burst open! Absolutely infested with round worms! Still all wriggling around. My poor baby! No wonder she died!
If I just did a simple faecal test at the beginning she might still be here but my ignorance and my belief that ivermec was effective probably killed her!

My lesson, buy wormer that's designed for chickens that specifically states kills all worms..



-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Mm very interesting.
My silkie hen that I got at 12 weeks and lived for 2 months I'm my care was very underweight. Only 400 grams when I got her which is about 500grams under weight. I put ivermec on her when I first got her thinking it would treat all worms.
Her poo was green and runny.
Wings dropped, no appetite, lethargic.
I got photos of organs that had damage.
Her liver was normal

First pictures are of ceacal and ceacal content.


Next pictures are of white lumps found in the lungs and on the inside of carcass.


Last photo is round worms found in intestine.


-Kathy