hi all . I think this thread is a bit unfair considering the only people that have the Trader Joe's fertile eggs are in California. All the rest of us are "in the club" but really kind of "on the outside looking in". SO, I decided to give Whole Food's "cage free fertile" eggs a whirl, for all those people without Trader Joe's, and the people that have Trader Joe's that doesn't carry fertile eggs. After giving one carton a go, I realized I had messed the whole thing up. I didn't leave them out 12 hours, though the first carton was extremely fresh, I didn't have a proper thermometer and I had no hygrometer. I trashed them and got some REAL equipment. I got foil insulation in my home made "inky" (I'm broke. No professional incubator for me!), got a good hygrometer and thermometer, went to whole foods and got 3 day old fertile eggs. I got 2 cartons, so 24 eggs, cracked six open, leaving 18 eggs to incubate. I left them out for 12 hours while I calibrated my thermometer and made "egg trays" so the eggs could not slide over onto the wrong side. I ended up putting in 10 eggs, leaving me with 8 eggs left at and early hour in the morning (one o'clock or half past midnight). I then discovered that some of the eggs were in the 80's !! I moved them up and put in three more to make up for any that hit the 90's but wasn't kept at a consistent 90 or higher. Now, I have 5 eggs left, with 13 in the incubator. Out of the 6 eggs I cracked open, 5 gave me the TINY doughnut appearance, and one gave me an even tinier white dot, an infertile egg. Of course, nobody has every pointed the "bulls eye" or "doughnut" out to me, so I am just guessing, comparing the 5 to the teeny tiny white dot. Of course, the hatch rates of these eggs from BYCers dance into ZERO several times. I've heard of one success story without pictures... But for investing less than 20 bucks, what can it hurt?