Tragedy related to nutrition?

[seminolewind]

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http://www.ca.uky.edu/smallflocks/Feed_ingredients/Proteins.html#Peas

http://smallfarms.oregonstate.edu/sfn/su10soypoultry

 

[Cindy in PA]

I emailed Purina about 2 years ago asking why they had taken game bird feed off their $5 off coupons, because I fed my chickens game bird feed. All she said was that Purina doesn't recommend feeding game bird feed to chickens. She really wasn't very helpful. I can understand not giving percentages, but listing ingredients in order of amounts shouldn't be that hard.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Purina Dog Chow is not manufactured nor sold by Purina/LOL Feeds. The Purina Feeds of old was broken into two parts, Pet Food and Livestock Feeds, when the Koch Brothers dumped the company. The feed portion is now part of Land O'Lakes Cooperative, the pet food is now owned by Nestle`.

 

[Chris09]

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BLUE was a smart brand dog food. They said sweet potatoes and salmon and there it was on the label. That's what my dog got

But how meany people are going to go out and spend around $1.40 a pound on dog food when you can get nearly the something (just labeled different and maybe a few different ingredients) for around .30 a pound.

Can't someone take the hint and make a chicken feed that has all the ingredients in it that we'd like to see

Just because a feed has all the ingredients in it that you'd like to see in it doesn't make it any better for them.

Chris​

 

[stcroixusvi]

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I found both to be interesting. I am clipping part of the first link:
FIELD PEAS

Field peas (Pisum sativum) contain 20-29% crude protein and are a potential protein-energy source for poultry diets. Research has reported that replacing a large portion of the soybean meal with field peas can result in reduced performance of growing chickens and laying hens. The presence of alpha-galactosides is proposed as the cause of the poor growth in broiler chickens but the cause of reduced performance of laying hens is not known. Research suggests that broiler chickens can tolerate up to 20% field peas in their diets. Up to 40% can be used if the diets are supplemented with the enzyme pectinase and the diets formulated to 15% higher than NRC recommendations.

Countryside has less than 20% TOTAL protein in the layer feed which includes field peas and fish meal. And out of 18 hens (6 RIR, 6 BPR, 4 EE, 2 Polish) I get at least a dozen eggs a day even at this time of year. Considering that the Polish hens lay 1 egg every third day between the two of them, that's not bad - and would suggest that the field peas are not inhibiting their egg production at this point. I am not a scientist, so don't know whether or not fish meal is crude. I would also add that I would love to read the research, and, more importantly, make sure it's not supported by the soy bean folks!

 

[seminolewind]

FINALLY She sent me a detailed label.
_________PURINA LAYENA SUNFRESH RECIPE CRUMBLES - 25# (W) DBNET WEIGHT SHOWN ON BAG AND/OR INVOICE61L6 R RPURINA LAYENA SUNFRESH RECIPE CRUMBLES - 25# (W) DB BRANDCOMPLETE FEED FOR LAYING CHICKENSCAUTION: USE ONLY AS DIRECTEDGUARANTEED ANALYSISCRUDE PROTEIN (MIN) 16.0000%LYSINE (MIN) .5500%METHIONINE (MIN) .2500%CRUDE FAT (MIN) 2.5000%CRUDE FIBER (MAX) 7.0000%CALCIUM (CA) (MIN) 3.2500%CALCIUM (CA) (MAX) 4.2500%PHOSPHORUS (P) (MIN) .5000%SALT (NACL) (MIN) .3000%SALT (NACL) (MAX) .8000%SODIUM (NA) (MIN) .0140%SODIUM (NA) (MAX) .0190%MANGANESE (MN) (MIN) 175.0000PPMVITAMIN A (MIN) 3000.00IU/LBVITAMIN E (MIN) 10.00IU/LBINGREDIENTS:GROUND CORN, WHEAT MIDDLINGS, DEHULLED SOYBEAN MEAL, SAFFLOWER, CALCIUMCARBONATE, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE, DICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SALT, TAGETES EXTRACT,VITAMIN E SUPPLEMENT, RIBOFLAVIN SUPPLEMENT, MANGANOUS OXIDE, CALCIUMPANTOTHENATE, VITAMIN D3 SUPPLEMENT, VITAMIN B-12 SUPPLEMENT, VITAMIN ASUPPLEMENT, NIACIN SUPPLEMENT, DL-METHIONINE, MENADIONE DIMETHYLPYRIMIDINOLBISULFITE, ( SOURCE OF VITAMIN K), FOLIC ACID, CHOLINE CHLORIDE, ZINC OXIDE,COPPER SULFATE, CALCIUM IODATE, SODIUM SELENITE.RUMINANT MEAT AND BONE MEAL FREE07DB W 61L60057283PURINA MILLS, LLCPO BOX 66812ST. LOUIS MO 63166-6812FEED QUESTIONS? PLEASE CALL 1-800-227-8941DIRECTIONS:LAYENA SUNFRESH CRUMBLE IS RECOMMENDED FOR MATURE LAYING HENS.PULLETS SHOULD BE SWITCHED TO LAYENA WHEN THEY REACH 20 TO 24WEEKS OF AGE.FEED AS THE SOLE RATION TO LAYING CHICKENS. MAY ALSO BE FED TO NON-LAYING FEMALE AND MALE ADULT BIRDS. KEEP FEED BEFORE BIRDS ATALL TIMES.IMPORTANT:FOLLOW SOUND MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AND DISEASE AND SANITATIONCONTROL MEASURES. IF ANY QUESTIONS, CONTACT YOUR VETERINARIAN,PURINA DEALER OR SALESMAN. IMMEDIATENOTE: DO NOT FEED TO CHICKENS LESS THAN 18 WEEKS OF AGE.CAUTION:STORE IN A DRY, WELL VENTILATED AREA PROTECTED FROM RODENTS ANDINSECTS. DO NOT FEED MOLDY OR INSECT-INFESTED FEED TO BIRDS ASIT MAY CAUSE ILLNESS, PERFORMANCE LOSS OR DEATH.UPC 80427303033 E1 CODE 0057283 ETTS 25 LB******************************************************************************
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[seminolewind]

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I found both to be interesting. I am clipping part of the first link:
FIELD PEAS

Field peas (Pisum sativum) contain 20-29% crude protein and are a potential protein-energy source for poultry diets. Research has reported that replacing a large portion of the soybean meal with field peas can result in reduced performance of growing chickens and laying hens. The presence of alpha-galactosides is proposed as the cause of the poor growth in broiler chickens but the cause of reduced performance of laying hens is not known. Research suggests that broiler chickens can tolerate up to 20% field peas in their diets. Up to 40% can be used if the diets are supplemented with the enzyme pectinase and the diets formulated to 15% higher than NRC recommendations.

Countryside has less than 20% TOTAL protein in the layer feed which includes field peas and fish meal. And out of 18 hens (6 RIR, 6 BPR, 4 EE, 2 Polish) I get at least a dozen eggs a day even at this time of year. Considering that the Polish hens lay 1 egg every third day between the two of them, that's not bad - and would suggest that the field peas are not inhibiting their egg production at this point. I am not a scientist, so don't know whether or not fish meal is crude. I would also add that I would love to read the research, and, more importantly, make sure it's not supported by the soy bean folks!

I copied these article links because they were from Universities, which, in my mind, gave it some truth, rather than a layman's article. I like the fishmeal. I think chicken feed should have some animal/fish ingredient. My chickens ran out of bugs last year, LOL

 

[Cindy in PA]

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BLUE was a smart brand dog food. They said sweet potatoes and salmon and there it was on the label. That's what my dog got

But how meany people are going to go out and spend around $1.40 a pound on dog food when you can get nearly the something (just labeled different and maybe a few different ingredients) for around .30 a pound.

Can't someone take the hint and make a chicken feed that has all the ingredients in it that we'd like to see

Just because a feed has all the ingredients in it that you'd like to see in it doesn't make it any better for them.

Chris​

Uh, I guess just me, I pay from $1.50-2.00 per pound for food for my two Springers. They look great & are healthy, that's all I care about. As for chickens, I too wish they would make a feed with grain & fish meal and leave out the chicken by-products etc. I don't mind the price if it's worth it. I would love to get Buckeye chicken feed, but I'm stuck with vegetarian Purina or the mill with chicken & feathers in it. I can also get Nature's Best Organic which I do like, but have to supplement animal protein. I realize they can't please everyone though, so I search for the lesser of many evils.​

 

[Miss Lydia]

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I found both to be interesting. I am clipping part of the first link:
FIELD PEAS

Field peas (Pisum sativum) contain 20-29% crude protein and are a potential protein-energy source for poultry diets. Research has reported that replacing a large portion of the soybean meal with field peas can result in reduced performance of growing chickens and laying hens. The presence of alpha-galactosides is proposed as the cause of the poor growth in broiler chickens but the cause of reduced performance of laying hens is not known. Research suggests that broiler chickens can tolerate up to 20% field peas in their diets. Up to 40% can be used if the diets are supplemented with the enzyme pectinase and the diets formulated to 15% higher than NRC recommendations.

Countryside has less than 20% TOTAL protein in the layer feed which includes field peas and fish meal. And out of 18 hens (6 RIR, 6 BPR, 4 EE, 2 Polish) I get at least a dozen eggs a day even at this time of year. Considering that the Polish hens lay 1 egg every third day between the two of them, that's not bad - and would suggest that the field peas are not inhibiting their egg production at this point. I am not a scientist, so don't know whether or not fish meal is crude. I would also add that I would love to read the research, and, more importantly, make sure it's not supported by the soy bean folks!

stcroixsvi, have you bought the country side scratch grains? I am going to Asheville on Friday to buy Countryside organics for the first time and was wondering what you thought of the scratch grain. Thanks

 

[stcroixusvi]

Quote:
I found both to be interesting. I am clipping part of the first link:
FIELD PEAS

Field peas (Pisum sativum) contain 20-29% crude protein and are a potential protein-energy source for poultry diets. Research has reported that replacing a large portion of the soybean meal with field peas can result in reduced performance of growing chickens and laying hens. The presence of alpha-galactosides is proposed as the cause of the poor growth in broiler chickens but the cause of reduced performance of laying hens is not known. Research suggests that broiler chickens can tolerate up to 20% field peas in their diets. Up to 40% can be used if the diets are supplemented with the enzyme pectinase and the diets formulated to 15% higher than NRC recommendations.

Countryside has less than 20% TOTAL protein in the layer feed which includes field peas and fish meal. And out of 18 hens (6 RIR, 6 BPR, 4 EE, 2 Polish) I get at least a dozen eggs a day even at this time of year. Considering that the Polish hens lay 1 egg every third day between the two of them, that's not bad - and would suggest that the field peas are not inhibiting their egg production at this point. I am not a scientist, so don't know whether or not fish meal is crude. I would also add that I would love to read the research, and, more importantly, make sure it's not supported by the soy bean folks!

stcroixsvi, have you bought the country side scratch grains? I am going to Asheville on Friday to buy Countryside organics for the first time and was wondering what you thought of the scratch grain. Thanks

Yes, I buy the scratch grains from Countryside as well. The peeps love it. I will add that our eggs taste great! If you are going to Eagledove, be sure they are open. They've cut back their hours quite a bit. I go through 50 lbs of feed a little less than every two weeks and have to stock up so that I don't run out - also we are on a mountain, and do not want to get snowed in without food for the chickens!