training a dog to leave chickens alone

Discussion in 'Predators and Pests' started by Amastacia, May 9, 2013.

  1. debramr1

    debramr1 Just Hatched

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    hi i have quite a large dog and we introduced him slowly to the chickens when we got them...always under supervision at first...gradually over time he has come to love them and is quite protective of his'girls'....to be honest he thinks he is a chicken now as i find him quite often in the coop with them...(most of the time eating their corn!!)....
     
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  2. IAFarmGirl

    IAFarmGirl Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I agree that dogs are predators but with that said you should know that LUCK is not a good way to get a good dog. Everyone should read what cafarmgirl wrote above...THAT is the way to consistently get good dogs over and over. The problem is that most people quit too soon in training a dog...it takes time and patience to get a dog that can be trusted with livestock.
     
  3. Quailsong

    Quailsong Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Well said.
     
  4. Quailsong

    Quailsong Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I agree and did read what was said above. I think there are some very good posts added here since my last visit. Some people (general) are looking for a quick fix and 'free' security for their pens. Or to make extra use of pet their dogs already.

    Luck/chance is involved, but so is a lot of training for the pet and the owner. This is not a road to go down lightly. I totally agree there.

    I've considered getting a LGD for the new house I'm moving into, even though the property is fairly small & will be pretty secure. I won't be moving again for another 5 or so years, but the next house after will be on a large farm that I feel will require a LGD. I'm thinking it'll be better to train the dog before the move, so that when I do have free-ranging critters, it'll be out of its puppy stage and far less likely to be a prob.

    But that just supports the other well thought-out threads here - having a LGD requires a lot of forethought & patience.
     
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  5. centrarchid

    centrarchid Chicken Obsessed

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    Here is a thread concerning trials and tribulations with my most recent efforts concerning use of dogs as LGD's. Mine are not bred specifically for purpose but no breed has been developed specifically for poultry. In the end it is not just about the dog or technique used. It is complex and ever changing. My system is not only way nor do I think it is best but it does work and I am confident it can work with any pup as starting point.

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/426408/planned-livestock-guarding-dog-for-poultry
     
  6. NikonD2xer

    NikonD2xer Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Great thread Centrarchid. I can hardly wait to read the rest of it.

    Dogs are not Predators. Dogs become predators through the failure of their humans.

    All dogs are tools and have been used as such for tens of thousands of years.

    They are used to alleviate loneliness, provide companionship, used for protection, provide mobility, locating and taking of game, etc etc etc.
    Just like any tool, in the wrong hands, bad things can happen. It is a matter of choosing the correct tool for the task you need preformed.

    Centrarchid just showed that breed is less of an issue than the proper training.

    I wonder how many of the people calling all dogs predators have dog and small children.
    Would I let a predator into my house or around my small nieces and nephews? NO WAY NO HOW.

    Anyone stating that all dogs are predators; or this breed is dangerous; or lumping anything or anyone into a single group and putting a label on it is misinformed, prejudice and extremely closed minded and completely wrong.
     
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  7. Habibs Hens

    Habibs Hens Cream Legbar Keeper

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    Would you let a Grey wolf in your house??????

    Grey Wolf is a predator

    think about that then read about the origins of the Domestic Dog???

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog
     
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  8. Sparrow

    Sparrow Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Dogs are not predators? You need to take a closer look at the species. Canis lupus familiaris. That places the dog as a subspecies of Canis lupus...the Grey Wolf. All canines are predators, many scavenge as well. ALL are carnivores. Look at their dentition, look at their absolute need to eat meat, and look at the way they behave when running feral in a pack. They revert right back to their natural predatory instincts. Herding dogs are acting on predatory stalking.hunting techniques, while being taught to control to the desire to finish the job and kill. All dogs are, by lineage and by design, predators. We can teach them not to kill to a certain point, but that does not change what they are genetically.
     
  9. blondie34

    blondie34 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I have trained my hunting dog to be nice to and actually take care of our flock so it CAN be done! If I can turn my little killer into a "mama hen" anyone can do it! My lab comes hunting with us and retrieves goose, pheasants, ducks, you name it. When we first got chickens it was definitely an issue as he was used to carrying birds around in his mouth [​IMG]

    What I did was a lot of heavy training and contact with the chicks and hens. I would hold a chicken in my hand and ask him to smell it and "make nice" like I tell him with my nieces/nephews.. if he got too interested and tried to lick to hard or do anything unsavory I would swat him in the bucket and put him in time out while I held the chicken in my arms to let him know that he was bad and that I care for the chickens. Since dogs like to please their masters I think it "clicked" when he saw me handling them and loving on them so often.


    We've had chickens for a few years now and now Remington takes care of chicks and loves to be around his brothers and sisters.






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    it can be done :)
     
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  10. NikonD2xer

    NikonD2xer Chillin' With My Peeps

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    NO i would not let wolf or a wolf cross into my home. Being wild, cage raised hand raised their lineage is TOO close to wild and there fore unpredictable.

    I know the origin of the domestic dog. There are countless generations of selective breeding to subdue undesirable and unneeded characteristics and to pronounce the the attributes deemed valuable by the breeder.

    Are the WILD traits still there ? absolutely but there are minimized and manageable


    You need to look at the definition of predator.

    Merriam Webster 1: one that preys, destroys, or devours 2: an animal that lives by predation
    Wikipedia predation describes a biological interaction where a predator (an organism that is hunting) feeds on its prey (the organism that is attacked)

    Just because a dog has linage of predation from 30,000 years ago doesn't make them a predator. They need to be allowed to act on those distant instincts to become a predator. The vast majority of dogs in US have not killed or eaten anything other than a chew toy. Why is that ? They have not been allowed to do so.

    All I was saying is that a dog only becomes a predator because of fault of it owner. It is not the dogs fault
     
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