Until I can get a gun, thats my only method of disposal! (drowning) There's way too many coons anyways. Sorry. JMO
trapping and disposing
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Don't feel inspired to go walking around to the back of my farm to dump an animal on me. Please do stop at the front door, where I'll tell you no. And you aren't invited to examine my farm to see if I have livestock suitable, in your opinion, for predator dumping.
If you're all that worried about cruelty, you should understand that the dumped animal has no idea where food, water, or shelter is, has no established territory, and is the absolute enemy of every other predator in the area. That's why most dumped animals die.
There are reasons it's generally illegal.
Don't feel inspired to go walking around to the back of my farm to dump an animal on me. Please do stop at the front door, where I'll tell you no. And you aren't invited to examine my farm to see if I have livestock suitable, in your opinion, for predator dumping.
If you're all that worried about cruelty, you should understand that the dumped animal has no idea where food, water, or shelter is, has no established territory, and is the absolute enemy of every other predator in the area. That's why most dumped animals die.
There are reasons it's generally illegal.
Drowning a critter is just wrong. It's slow and extremely painful. A very' hammer to the head is better than drowning.
No, it's pretty quick when done right, and it doesn't hurt getting your lungs full of water actually (bt,dt). Considering how most people weild a hammer, that's about the last thing I'd advocate most people do. It's a lot harder to do than you realize, starting with the general unwillingness of a predator to stand by while you swing a hammer around their head.
As for your freezing dead animals idea, what do you propose to do with them once they are frozen?
No, it's pretty quick when done right, and it doesn't hurt getting your lungs full of water actually (bt,dt). Considering how most people weild a hammer, that's about the last thing I'd advocate most people do. It's a lot harder to do than you realize, starting with the general unwillingness of a predator to stand by while you swing a hammer around their head.
As for your freezing dead animals idea, what do you propose to do with them once they are frozen?
I also trap & drown its easiest for me as my hubby works mon-fri 300 miles away and only home on weekends. I don't care what others think Its against the law in florida to trap & release coons. I'm not comfortable with a gun so this is what I choose to do. No one should judge another on the methods that they find easier or works for them.
Alright, lets keep this to methods of how people trap and dispose and try not to argue even if you disagree with the methods being used. Let's try and keep the peace. Thanks!
I agree with Foxtrapper. It would be stupid to not elminate all predators. First off anything that is caught in a live trap near the chicken coop is most likely trying to find away to get into it and eat my chickens. And I am sorry but there is no "temporary " predator. Once they figure out how easy it is to to come and pick off your chickens during the night, they will always come back. Maybe you Yonaton dont mind feeding the chickens you work hard to raise and put money into keeping them alive to any wandering perdators. But the rest of us do. Drowning may sound awful,but for people that dont own a gun its is the most effective way to get rid of them. Drowning is very quick, and they really suffer to much. With gasing them is inhumane either they go to sleep, and die. Our local animal shelter has this big deep chest freezer looking thing. All the animals they cant find homes for they put in here. And they flipp a stwich and it sucks out all the air and the animals dies. Pretty close to drowning. Anyway No one here really likes having to do this to any animal. But when our chickens are at stake darn right we will get rid of them.
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does everybody use hav a hart traps our do people use diffrent types and what types
I caught a very young possum three nights ago. I had a very hard time NOT letting it go, but mom put it this way.
She said, the decision is yours...that young possum that is snarling at you, or your chickens in a couple of months when its full grown...or even NOW if the momma comes back with it to feed them. (They live under a junk pile next door). That made the decision easier. Being a woman, I have a hard time even telling hubby to put it down, but he did do it for me. We are totally overrun with possums here, and they are destroying everything its so bad, so, there is no question they would go after my girls. The girls even smelled it and went nutzo. So, sometimes you have to make hard decisions to "protect" your own.
She said, the decision is yours...that young possum that is snarling at you, or your chickens in a couple of months when its full grown...or even NOW if the momma comes back with it to feed them. (They live under a junk pile next door). That made the decision easier. Being a woman, I have a hard time even telling hubby to put it down, but he did do it for me. We are totally overrun with possums here, and they are destroying everything its so bad, so, there is no question they would go after my girls. The girls even smelled it and went nutzo. So, sometimes you have to make hard decisions to "protect" your own.
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I have a live trap that I use. For bait I use a piece of scrap meat. You can use other bait, depending on what your trapping. Once you've caught them, get a gun and shoot it. Drowning, gassing or beating to death is slow, painful and wrong.
Not to argue, but GASSING is not slow, painful or wrong. It is very quick...they fall asleep and never wake up. Now, you tell me that using a gun on a snarling, moving animal is going to give you a quick, painless death...what if you miss by a little?
I have a live trap that I use. For bait I use a piece of scrap meat. You can use other bait, depending on what your trapping. Once you've caught them, get a gun and shoot it. Drowning, gassing or beating to death is slow, painful and wrong.
Not to argue, but GASSING is not slow, painful or wrong. It is very quick...they fall asleep and never wake up. Now, you tell me that using a gun on a snarling, moving animal is going to give you a quick, painless death...what if you miss by a little?
foxtrapper wrote (in quotes):
Don't feel inspired to go walking around to the back of my farm to dump an animal on me. Please do stop at the front door, where I'll tell you no. And you aren't invited to examine my farm to see if I have livestock suitable, in your opinion, for predator dumping.
You missed the point. Besides, I don't do any of that *anyway*.
You missed the point. Besides, I don't do any of that *anyway*.
If you're all that worried about cruelty, you should understand that the dumped animal has no idea where food, water, or shelter is, has no established territory, and is the absolute enemy of every other predator in the area. That's why most dumped animals die.
An wild animal can find food and water just fine (dogs on the other hand are usually an exception to the 'food' part of that).
The "shelter" is a natural instinct for them to find also. I didn't say trap a 'coon from 100 acres of wildland and release it in a Bronx basement (and even then I bet a 'coon would still find shelter, they're not dumb).
Territories get established and reestablished day after day, it's nothing new, and nothing anyone can do anything about.
"...most dumped animals die"!? That's almost too funny. Yes, dumped dogs usually do, but all the catch and relocate that's been done around here has proved completely otherwise (yes, many different species were tagged in one way or another to test and make sure this wasn't happening).
An wild animal can find food and water just fine (dogs on the other hand are usually an exception to the 'food' part of that).
The "shelter" is a natural instinct for them to find also. I didn't say trap a 'coon from 100 acres of wildland and release it in a Bronx basement (and even then I bet a 'coon would still find shelter, they're not dumb).
Territories get established and reestablished day after day, it's nothing new, and nothing anyone can do anything about.
"...most dumped animals die"!? That's almost too funny. Yes, dumped dogs usually do, but all the catch and relocate that's been done around here has proved completely otherwise (yes, many different species were tagged in one way or another to test and make sure this wasn't happening).
No, it's pretty quick when done right, and it doesn't hurt getting your lungs full of water actually (bt,dt). Considering how most people weild a hammer, that's about the last thing I'd advocate most people do. It's a lot harder to do than you realize, starting with the general unwillingness of a predator to stand by while you swing a hammer around their head.
Drowning "done right"? Have you asked a drowning victim (human of course) that's been resuscitated how it felt? Want to bet they'll tell you there's no "doing it right" and not painful? Besides, it's not so much just the drowning itself, it's the utter fear it's put into when one is putting it in the water tank (or whatever is used/how it's done)...I used to swim for almost 8 years (when I was younger), working to try and get into the Olympics, my biggest *fear* is still drowning (I've been in two militaries and fought in many gun battles, but dying from a bullet or knife or burning just don't hold anywhere near the same amount of fear in me). When someone catches a critter in a live trap, how do they drown it anyway (out of curiosity)? Do they take the trap and all to someones pool and toss it in? Do they drop the trap in the 100 gallon water trough that then needs to be cleaned and refilled?
If my 68 year old mom can snatch up a feral cat and pop it once in the head with a hammer, I'm pretty sure most anyone could do it. I still advocate a .22 bullet...clean, instantaneous and no muss, no fuss (except for cats...stand back after one is killed!)
Drowning "done right"? Have you asked a drowning victim (human of course) that's been resuscitated how it felt? Want to bet they'll tell you there's no "doing it right" and not painful? Besides, it's not so much just the drowning itself, it's the utter fear it's put into when one is putting it in the water tank (or whatever is used/how it's done)...I used to swim for almost 8 years (when I was younger), working to try and get into the Olympics, my biggest *fear* is still drowning (I've been in two militaries and fought in many gun battles, but dying from a bullet or knife or burning just don't hold anywhere near the same amount of fear in me). When someone catches a critter in a live trap, how do they drown it anyway (out of curiosity)? Do they take the trap and all to someones pool and toss it in? Do they drop the trap in the 100 gallon water trough that then needs to be cleaned and refilled?
If my 68 year old mom can snatch up a feral cat and pop it once in the head with a hammer, I'm pretty sure most anyone could do it. I still advocate a .22 bullet...clean, instantaneous and no muss, no fuss (except for cats...stand back after one is killed!)
As for your freezing dead animals idea, what do you propose to do with them once they are frozen?
Just what another poster suggested for getting rid of the carcass once it's dead. Keep it froze until trash day and then put it out in the can. I'd rather bury it though and at least use it to fertilize something.
Alleyoops wrote (in quotes):
Just what another poster suggested for getting rid of the carcass once it's dead. Keep it froze until trash day and then put it out in the can. I'd rather bury it though and at least use it to fertilize something.
Alleyoops wrote (in quotes):
Once they figure out how easy it is to to come and pick off your chickens during the night, they will always come back.
No one suggested otherwise, least of all me.
No one suggested otherwise, least of all me.
Maybe you Yonaton dont mind feeding the chickens you work hard to raise and put money into keeping them alive to any wandering perdators.
Who suggested this? I sure can't see it anywhere in anything I wrote. My dogs protect the land just fine, and my coop was made predator proof when I built it.
Gassing is humane and not painful. Carbon Monoxide is tasteless and odorless...one just goes to sleep and then dies. I never said anything about gassing an animal.
It just seems to me one could live trap and call the county game warden and ask them to relocate the critter or have them put it down (being a law enforcement officer, they'll have whatever is necessary for that job). They like to help (most I've met do, but there's always one here and there that's too lazy to be asked to do their job of course), and it gives them something to do when hunting season isn't in.
I'm not against putting down an animal that one simply can't relocate (like a skunk, but one day maybe I'll figure out a way to get close to the cage to be able to relocate). Anyway, YMMV (apparently).
Who suggested this? I sure can't see it anywhere in anything I wrote. My dogs protect the land just fine, and my coop was made predator proof when I built it.
Gassing is humane and not painful. Carbon Monoxide is tasteless and odorless...one just goes to sleep and then dies. I never said anything about gassing an animal.
It just seems to me one could live trap and call the county game warden and ask them to relocate the critter or have them put it down (being a law enforcement officer, they'll have whatever is necessary for that job). They like to help (most I've met do, but there's always one here and there that's too lazy to be asked to do their job of course), and it gives them something to do when hunting season isn't in.
I'm not against putting down an animal that one simply can't relocate (like a skunk, but one day maybe I'll figure out a way to get close to the cage to be able to relocate). Anyway, YMMV (apparently).
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I have a live trap that I use. For bait I use a piece of scrap meat. You can use other bait, depending on what your trapping. Once you've caught them, get a gun and shoot it. Drowning, gassing or beating to death is slow, painful and wrong.
Not to argue, but GASSING is not slow, painful or wrong. It is very quick...they fall asleep and never wake up. Now, you tell me that using a gun on a snarling, moving animal is going to give you a quick, painless death...what if you miss by a little?
They are in a Hav-a-heart cage. I also use enough gun to do the job. Normally a .38 but a .22 will work. It isn't hard to hit the brain. I've read many stories where gassing didn't work. Shooting is the quickest way.
I have a live trap that I use. For bait I use a piece of scrap meat. You can use other bait, depending on what your trapping. Once you've caught them, get a gun and shoot it. Drowning, gassing or beating to death is slow, painful and wrong.
Not to argue, but GASSING is not slow, painful or wrong. It is very quick...they fall asleep and never wake up. Now, you tell me that using a gun on a snarling, moving animal is going to give you a quick, painless death...what if you miss by a little?
They are in a Hav-a-heart cage. I also use enough gun to do the job. Normally a .38 but a .22 will work. It isn't hard to hit the brain. I've read many stories where gassing didn't work. Shooting is the quickest way.
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