true bantam breeds

[Professional]

No, American Games are miniature versions of generic games. You're thinking of Old English Games, which everyone knows have both a LF and a bantam version. If the standard use here to define "true" bantams is only breeds which do not have a LF counterpart, then, yes, American Games do qualify. Moderns do not, as they also have a LF version.

FYI: It's d'Anvers, Sebrights and Nankins.

Belgium and Holland have a self colored version of Sebrights, which the Sebright traditionalists did not want recognized as such, because all original Sebrights were found in only laced varieties, so they recognized them as a seperate breed, Eikenburgers.

The original Red Junglefowl has also been recognized in the standard as a bantam breed, but it is seldom shown.

Don't forget waterfowl. All Bantam ducks do not have a large counterpart, and so are true bantams; Calls, East Indies, Mallards and even wild species which are not found in domestic varieties, the Mandarin and Wood Duck.

 

[DTchickens]

Well i dont know. Since American game bantams (often called pitbantams) hold the characteristics as a gamefowl. i wouldn't think they are true bantams. now. Old english game bantams. i know aren't true bantams. they have Old english standards. (large fowl) and old english games (Large fowl). Moderns aren't true bantams neither. but i just figured since your were classifying AGBs as bantams. i would name MGB's as well. just my opinion. dont mean to get anyone mad if this causes trouble.




EDIT: oh. also. AGBs. have the same colors. and everything as Gamefowl. and they also have same color legs etc.

 

[Professional]

I'm having a hard time following you.

 

[DTchickens]

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Basically. to make it short and simple i dont believe American game bantams are a true bantam breed. all they are is SHORT GAMEFOWL, they act like them. look like them. and even FIGHT just like gamefowl. so in my case. they aren't true bantams. just my opinion though.

 

[Professional]

The American Bantam Association disagrees.

 

[DTchickens]

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Well sir/ma'am. i dont mean any disrespect. but i dont believe they are true bantams. Just because you breed them to come shorter. and call them a different name, doesn't make them a true bantam in my case.. Try feathersite. look at American game bantams. then go look at American gamefowl. read up on them etc etc. they can be called TRue bantams all they want.. but they wont be in my case.

 

[Professional]

That's an interesting point of view. I guess that you could say that the sky is not blue, and if that's your reality, then it is pointless to argue with that. All I know is that the American Bantam Association has recognized the breed of American Games as a bantam. The criteria for this thread seems to be that true bantams are those which have no largefowl counterpart, which is true of the American Games, despite their sometimes similar resemblance to some of the larger generic pit games.

 

[Professional]

To present some additional food for thought, there's also the Cochin. The British do not recognize a Cochin bantam. What we call a Cochin bantam, they call a Pekin, a breed which they claim is different from and not related to the Cochin, and they say it is a true bantam, with no LF version. Despite what our standard says, our LF Cochins and our bantams, really are of a different type. As the Brits were really the first westerners to get the birds out of China and work with them extensively, the birds created quite the craze there, and seeing as there are unmistakeable differences in type between the LF and the bants, I'm inclined to agree with them.

 

[DTchickens]

Well. see the sky itself is not blue. actually its the gas's in the air that make it look blue :}. But as i said before. they can call them bantams all they want. BUT. in my case. they wont be true bantams. its just my opinion. and my point of view. and im sticking to it.

 

[Professional]

You're right. It's hard to argue with that point of few.