Trying again chick identification

[Ponyiqandhens2]

A couple weeks ago we tried to figure these out with no luck.
I included several pictures of each that include feet wings combs everything i can think of.these are from Meyers Fry Pan special..should be all male from heavy layer breeds
Nicole

 

[pickaflower]

Aw!! They are so pretty!!!

 

[5Australorpasaures]

Check youtube videos on wing sexing chicks. So easy.

 

[NatJ]

Check youtube videos on wing sexing chicks. So easy.

Wing sexing only works on a few specific kinds of chickens. On most kinds, it does not work.

And these are ALL supposed to be males, so no point in trying to sex them:

these are from Meyers Fry Pan special..should be all male from heavy layer breeds

I think the question here is about what breeds they are.

 

[NatJ]

A couple weeks ago we tried to figure these out with no luck.
I included several pictures of each that include feet wings combs everything i can think of.these are from Meyers Fry Pan special..should be all male from heavy layer breeds
Nicole

Pale solid-color chick(s) are definitely Buff. Maybe Orpingtons, maybe some other buff breed.

Chick(s) with red down on the head, and multi-colored wing feathers, probably need to grow some more. I think I see single combs and white feet, so maybe some kind of Orpington or Sussex.

Black chick appears to have a rose comb-- maybe a Wyandotte? It will probably grow up to be all black.

 

[Fallenone05]

The black one with no comb is probably a Dominique or a Wyandotte. The buff is probably an Orpington. The red one(s) are going to be harder to identify this young.

Edit to add that what Meyer calls a Golden Buff is a red sex link, so the Blondies might be a male Red Sex Link.

 

[Ponyiqandhens2]

Thank yall..that narrows it down. I have 4 of the red heads and they are very easy to handle and getting really pretty feathering. I am keeping a couple as replacement roosters,but i want to know what i am keeping. I am sending the rest to a family that will usethem toinfuse new blood into a flock that has been closed for several years and eventually some will feed their famy and theelderly neighbors that they help.

I am going to keep the boys around until i am sure of what they are. I truly appreciate every ones patience and help

 

[NatJ]

The black one with no comb is probably a Dominique or a Wyandotte.

A Dominique would show white barring in the black feathers, and that chick doesn't.

And it doesn't have "no comb," it just has a different kind of comb: wide and flat, probably a rose comb but possibly a walnut/cushion/strawberry comb.

Edit to add that what Meyer calls a Golden Buff is a red sex link, so the Blondies might be a male Red Sex Link.

Male red sexlinks should have whiter feathers than those light chicks are showing. I'm pretty sure they are actually buff. (Unless my computer monitor is showing colors wrong. That is always a possibility.)

 

[Ponyiqandhens2]

THE red headed chicks go from a lightish red to a deep red on their heads. I included some pictures from the last ten days of the color changes 1st are most recent going to older i truly appreciate the info.. i am learning..horse coloring and genetics are so basic compared to chickens..

2 questions..what is a strawberry comb. I have seen it mentioned twice in other threads in recent days as well. It doesnt show up in my old animal husbandry books from college ( late 80s early 90s stuff) granted lots of changes but the basics about chickens, care, management and nutrition are still basically the same)

The other question is in relationship to what your were describing should be evident on a dominique that wasnt present. I ask because there is a black in the bunch that has white on his wings but everything else is pretty similar ( not sure about comb type i cant really tell until older )

 

[NatJ]

i am learning..horse coloring and genetics are so basic compared to chickens..

It seems that way to me too

If I use a term that doesn't make sense, just ask. I'm inconsistent in how much I use technical terms versus using more common words to say more-or-less the same thing.

2 questions..what is a strawberry comb. I have seen it mentioned twice in other threads in recent days as well. It doesnt show up in my old animal husbandry books from college ( late 80s early 90s stuff) granted lots of changes but the basics about chickens, care, management and nutrition are still basically the same)

If you ask a geneticist, the comb types work like this:
Rose comb is caused by one gene
Pea comb is caued by a diffent gene
Each of those genes is at a different locus (place on the chromosome)
Single comb is not-rose and not-pea
Walnut comb is rose AND pea

Duplex comb (V or Buttercup) is controlled by yet another locus (place on the chromosome.) How it interacts with the others isn't as clear. But single comb is also not-duplex.

Single comb requires all the recessive forms: not-rose, not-pea, not-duplex. That means when you breed two chickens with single combs, you should always get chicks with single combs. Because single combs are recessive, they also appear sometimes in other breeds (because chickens can show other comb types while carrying the recessives needed for single combs.)



But if you set aside the genetics and look at the Standard of Perfection for chicken breeds, the comb types include Single, Rose, Pea, V, Buttercup, Walnut, Cushion, Strawberry, and maybe some others. The are based on descriptions of how the combs actually look. They typically date to a time before the genetics were studied or understood.

Cushion and Strawberry are both "walnut" comb to a geneticist. And some of the "walnut" combs in the standard may actually be "rose" combs to the geneticist.


(Note, I have simplified a little bit. There are several alleles at each locus, so not all "rose" combs have quite the same mutation when analyzed at the molecular level. But they are all dominant over the wildtype not-rose allele. At the duplex locus, V and Buttercup comb are caused by different alleles, but again they are both dominant over the wildtype form that is found in single comb chickens. Pea comb has a similar situation, again with multiple alleles that all cause "pea" combs and are all dominant over the wildtype allele needed for single comb.)

"Wildtype" is what is found in the wild Red Junglefowl ancestors of chickens.