TSA wants to double security fee

[EweSheep]

If my memory served me right, The History Channel (and my Dad, was a WWII baby, hearing stories from his uncles) FDR DID know we would be attacked at Pearl Harbor because there were interceptions going on at the time and the people that heard about plots that Japanese will attack, they forwarded it to the President. Either they were plotting out or "cry wolf that never happened" kind of scenerio. Proproganda at its finest.

Like 9/11, the security officials KNEW about the attacks, the plots/plans going on to attack us but they were slow about it. Same for FDR, either he just dismiss it as "ridiculous" or just sitting there waiting for the Japanese to attack us first to get us to fight.

 

[hemet dennis]

http://rationalrevolution.net/war/mccollum.htm

If you want more google is your friend.

You see that memo as enticing Japan to attack us I see it as the U.S.A. trying to stop Japans expansion.
Now if you can show me where someone said they would rather Japan attack us then to pull back then you might have something.
This memo's a list of fact that we should not let it be easy for Japan to expand and things we could do to dissuade them.
In the end Japan had the choice to stop or not they thought by attacking us they could get what they wanted.
But I saw nothing that said we knew what they would do for sure.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Quote: Nope, nothing in there to say he knew it would revoke an attack for sure but there is not question that they new it was the most likely outcome.

We were claiming to be nutural but doing these things to japan while pumping supplies to England. The only people that thought we were nutural an the attack was unprovoked was the people of the US.

 

[hemet dennis]

Nope, nothing in there to say he knew it would revoke an attack for sure but there is not question that they new it was the most likely outcome.

We were claiming to be nutural but doing these things to japan while pumping supplies to England. The only people that thought we were nutural an the attack was unprovoked was the people of the US.

So if you don't like what someone is doing so you decide not to sell them chickens but sell chicken to there enemy then you're provoking them to attack you ?

 

[thaiturkey]

Oh boy, the red herrings have been swimming freely while I got my beauty sleep!

I find any comparison between Hitler's activities and the airport security agencies grossly insulting to those who attempt to protect us and to the people who suffered in Europe during the 1930s and 1940s. There have been several spurious comparisons between airport security and other issues during the last few hours. Most are amusing but this one is quite disgusting.

Pearl Harbour and 9/11 are topics that are best left out of this thread because they raise feelings that will get it locked, I suggest. I could add 7 July 2005 in London to the list because I was there and have my own views about what went on but that too would take us into a discourse that would get the thread locked.

Someone drew a comparison between security at airports and what he regarded as the absence of it on the roads. Have you tried driving on the wrong side of the road, ignoring stop lights and shooting at other motorists? If air travellers should be free to do what they want then why not drivers on the road? Our actions anywhere we go, including in the home, are subject to laws that protect us and other people. Does your electrical system at home comply with regulations or are you risking people's lives to show that you have 'human rights'?

Some of those who are objecting to airport security measures seem to fly rarely or never. So, how does security affect you and how do you know what it's like to go through the checks? I do fly and I'm prepared to put up with the inconvenience of being checked because it make flying safer.

I want security to be in the hands of government controlled professionals rather than a few guys with six shooters sitting behind me during the flight. The security agencies have a much better idea of the current risks than a few guys packing heat. They can use measures to reduce the chances of weapons getting on board and that's much better than having a shoot out down the aisle.

The people who complain about 'human rights' in this thread seem to mean 'My rights, mine mine mine'. Well, folks, this subject is about the rights of all people who would be affected by a bombed or hijacked plane not just your own. If it really is 'every man for himself', then civilisation hasn't come very far out of the cave.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Quote: Chickens? No, we were parking ships in there neck of the woods. Threatening other country's so they would stop trade with them an pumping weapons to there enemy.

 

[RHRanch]

I flew recently and it was smooth sailing. I have no complaints, wear loose shoes and pack your stuff in ziplocks. Get there early so you are not late for your flight, if they pull you out you can choose the scanners or groping. I'm up for either. I find that its all about attitude, if you feel like it is going to be a terrible experience, it probably will be, if you don't let it bother you and relax, you will be fine.

 

[hemet dennis]

Chickens? No, we were parking ships in there neck of the woods. Threatening other country's so they would stop trade with them an pumping weapons to there enemy.

Or were we trying to protect our friends. What countries did we threaten ?

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I find any comparison between Hitler's activities and the airport security agencies grossly insulting to those who attempt to protect us and to the people who suffered in Europe during the 1930s and 1940s. There have been several spurious comparisons between airport security and other issues during the last few hours. Most are amusing but this one is quite disgusting.

Fare from where we are today. The comparison was us comparative to Germany, the years leading up to the rise of Nazi power.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Quote:
Friends an being nutural in the middle of war does not work.

My understanding was we were useing trade as leverage to tell other country's not to trade with them. I dont have anything I can point to prove that though.