Turkey Talk for 2014

[SilkieSensation]

Thank you!!!

No problem. You will want to get on the list soon. I already have a couple people reserving specific ship dates!

 

[JWEBB]

I have a trio of blue slates & a trio of royal palms penned together right now. Possible colors are:
Black
Blue Slate
Lavender
Royal Palm
Blue Palm
Lavender palm

very neat and interesting! can you explain how you would get lavendars from breeding with a RP? what did you do to get to that point ? Have you done it before with this pair?

 

[JWEBB]

Okay peeps,anybody have turkey eggs they wanna part with?

Ditto!

 

[JWEBB]

very neat and interesting! can you explain how you would get lavendars from breeding with a RP? what did you do to get to that point ? Have you done it before with this pair?

OH I see... I need some coffee... BS on BS for the Lavender

 

[Heritageturkey]

OH I see... I need some coffee... BS on BS for the Lavender

But the blue palms and lavender palms , SilkieSensation would you please explain that as I don't see how that's possible.

 

[SilkieSensation]

 
 OH I see... I need some coffee... BS on BS     for the Lavender

But the blue palms and lavender palms , SilkieSensation would you please explain that as I don't see how that's possible.

Blue & lavender are dilutions of the black gene. When you cross the black (royal) palm with a blue slate it creates blue palms. A second cross back to blue will bring out even more blue & lavender.

Genetics work as follows:
Royal (black) palm: 2 genes for black
Blue palm: 1 gene for black, 1 gene for blue
Lavender (self blue) palm: 2 genes for blue

Slate genetics work as follows:
Black: 2 genes for black
Blue slate: 1 gene for black, 1 gene for blue
Lavender (self blue): 2 genes for blue

 

[JWEBB]

 

[Porterturkeys]

Blue & lavender are dilutions of the black gene. When you cross the black (royal) palm with a blue slate it creates blue palms. A second cross back to blue will bring out even more blue & lavender.

Genetics work as follows:
Royal (black) palm: 2 genes for black
Blue palm: 1 gene for black, 1 gene for blue
Lavender (self blue) palm: 2 genes for blue

Slate genetics work as follows:
Black: 2 genes for black
Blue slate: 1 gene for black, 1 gene for blue

Actually the dominate slate gene D is what you are describing, it is not located on the same locus as black, (so is separate) but you are correct that is does dilute black to the slate color , but it dilutes other color genes as well without black being present.
If you cross a blue slate with a royal palm you will not get blue palms in the f-1s. unless your slates are carrying other genes necessary to make palms which they shouldn't.

I will revise your genetic list above:
Royal palm - 2 genes for black winged "bronze" (not black) also 2 genes for cg gray, 2 for ng narragansett
Blue palm- 2 genes for black winged bronze and correct on 1 gene for slate. (blue) but also 2 genes for cg gray and 2 for ng narragansett
Lavender palm- correct on 2 genes for D slate(blue) but there is also 2 genes for b1 black winged bronze, 2 for cg gray and 2 for ng narragansett

A blue slate actually has 2 genes for black and 1 gene for slate BB Dd
A lavender (self blue) has 2 genes for black and 2 genes for slate BB DD
The blacks that come from blue slate breedings are the result of when the slate gene is not given by either parent thus creating a genotype of BB dd or just BB,, we use the letter d for a non-slate allele to D.

Hope that clears things up.





Kevin

Porter's Rare Heritage Turkeys

 

[SilkieSensation]

Actually the dominate slate gene  D is what you are describing, it is not located on the same locus as black, (so is separate) but you are correct that is does dilute black to the slate color , but it dilutes other color genes as well without black being present.
If you cross a blue slate with a royal palm you will not get blue palms in the f-1s. unless your slates are carrying other genes necessary to make palms which they shouldn't.

I will revise your genetic list above:
 Royal palm - 2 genes for black winged "bronze" (not black)  also 2 genes for cg gray, 2 for ng narragansett
Blue palm-  2 genes for black winged bronze and correct on 1 gene for slate. (blue) but also 2 genes for cg gray and 2 for ng narragansett
Lavender palm-  correct on 2 genes for D slate(blue) but there is also 2 genes for b1 black winged bronze, 2 for cg gray and 2 for  ng narragansett

A blue slate actually has 2 genes for black and 1 gene for slate BB Dd
A lavender (self blue) has 2 genes for black and 2 genes for slate BB DD
The blacks that come from blue slate breedings are the result of when the slate gene is not given by either parent thus creating a genotype of BB dd or just BB,, we use the letter d for a non-slate allele to D.

Hope that clears things up.





Kevin

Porter's Rare Heritage Turkeys

Clear as mud...lol
Ok, so crossing my slates & palms should give all black (royal) the first generation & set up for blue & lavender when crossed back in the 2nd generation...right?

 

[R2elk]

Clear as mud...lol
Ok, so crossing my slates & palms should give all black (royal) the first generation & set up for blue & lavender when crossed back in the 2nd generation...right?

When I crossed my blue slate tom on royal palm hens, I got mostly black poults and a few of the two different varieties of blue poults. I currently have one yearling hen from a self blue/royal palm cross that looks very much like a blue slate except she has a scattering of white feathers.