Turkey Talk for 2014

[sonderah]

From these angles, the tan/brown coloration is minimal, so I think it was an artifact on the first picture.  So she looks like a Lavender in these pictures.  Lavender and Self Blue are the same thing.  It is just one of three colors that you get when you breed Blue Slate to Blue Slate.  The Blue Slate genetics are more complicated than other colors, in that purebreds come in three different colors:  Slate, Self Blue (aka Lavender), and Black (but not genetically the same as the Spanish Blacks, just a black colored Blue Slate).  So she does look like a purebred Blue Slate, just in the Lavender color, which is probably best for the colors that you said you wanted to develop, since you'd be starting one generation closer to that goal.

If this is making your head spin, check out the Blue Slate page on the Porter's website, then look at the feather color genetics page.  If you go back to it many times it will make more sense each time until something will "click" in your brain, and all of a sudden it'll be obvious.

Until then, think of it like the three different colors in Labradors:  Black, Chocolate, and Yellow.  (The Labrador genetics are actually a little more complicated, but most people are more familiar with the three colors in them than in Blue Slate turkeys.)   All three colors are purebreds, and often the puppies aren't the same color as the parents, but they're still purebred labs.

Cool!! Thanks!!!

 

[gevshiba]

RP/BS. I think this one is very pretty.


RP/BS. This one's color is much more smutty.

RP. This one's a ham, so he get's extra pictures.







The uncooperative red headed friend. This one's a runner, so this was the best I could do.

 

[SilkieSensation]

Do you have a pic of the hen? She could be lavender. I just assumed you had more than 1 hen.

Here's "Turkey", what I was told was blue slate but this is my 1st yr with turkeys. I only have 1 other hen, but she is an RP.

She is lavender. Very pretty girl

Now I'm really curious. I assumed the lady was telling me correctly and I have been selling her poults as mixes of BS and RP. I would hate to think I've been accidentally lying. So, I went and got fresh pics from different angles. She def does have a touch of brown to her, guess I've always thought she was just dirty and didn't pay much attention. So, is she a "mutt"?

From these angles, the tan/brown coloration is minimal, so I think it was an artifact on the first picture. So she looks like a Lavender in these pictures. Lavender and Self Blue are the same thing. It is just one of three colors that you get when you breed Blue Slate to Blue Slate. The Blue Slate genetics are more complicated than other colors, in that purebreds come in three different colors: Slate, Self Blue (aka Lavender), and Black (but not genetically the same as the Spanish Blacks, just a black colored Blue Slate). So she does look like a purebred Blue Slate, just in the Lavender color, which is probably best for the colors that you said you wanted to develop, since you'd be starting one generation closer to that goal. If this is making your head spin, check out the Blue Slate page on the Porter's website, then look at the feather color genetics page. If you go back to it many times it will make more sense each time until something will "click" in your brain, and all of a sudden it'll be obvious. Until then, think of it like the three different colors in Labradors: Black, Chocolate, and Yellow. (The Labrador genetics are actually a little more complicated, but most people are more familiar with the three colors in them than in Blue Slate turkeys.) All three colors are purebreds, and often the puppies aren't the same color as the parents, but they're still purebred labs.

This explanation is very good but I think I can simplify a bit more: Blue slates when bred together make 3 colors, all are still pure slates. Genetics are similar to blue/black/splash in chickens. Blue slate to blue slate gives you: 25% black (2 black genes) 50% blue slate (1 blue gene, 1 black gene) 25% lavender or "self blue" (2 blue genes) Blue to lavender will give: 50% blue 50% lavender Lavender to lavender will give: 100% lavender Black to lavender will give: 100% blue Black to blue will give: 75% black 25% blue As you can see, with the lavender plus black (royal palm) you should get all blue mottled this generation, which will give you the blue & lavender palm next generation in about 25% of the babies, blue palm for 50% & royal (black) palm for 25% if bred back to each other. Still not positive if this mottled to mottled throws slates as well or not. If you breed the blue mottled back to royal palm it will give all blue & black & then you will need another generation to get the lavender by breeding blue palm to blue palm.

 

[sonderah]

She is lavender. Very pretty girl
This explanation is very good but I think I can simplify a bit more:
Blue slates when bred together make 3 colors, all are still pure slates.

Genetics are similar to blue/black/splash in chickens.

Blue slate to blue slate gives you:
25% black (2 black genes)
50% blue slate (1 blue gene, 1 black gene)
25% lavender or "self blue" (2 blue genes)

Blue to lavender will give:
50% blue
50% lavender

Lavender to lavender will give:
100% lavender

Black to lavender will give:
100% blue

Black to blue will give:
75% black
25% blue

As you can see, with the lavender plus black (royal palm) you should get all blue mottled this generation, which will give you the blue & lavender palm next generation in about 25% of the babies, blue palm for 50% & royal (black) palm for 25% if bred back to each other. Still not positive if this mottled to mottled throws slates as well or not. If you breed the blue mottled back to royal palm it will give all blue & black & then you will need another generation to get the lavender by breeding blue palm to blue palm.

Hmmm. Sounds like I need to build another turkey pen! Lol Thanks everyone for all the info!!!! I'm actually enjoying breeding my turkeys more than my chickens, but I think its just cause I make more $$ from the babies. Lol

 

[SilkieSensation]

She is lavender. Very pretty girl
This explanation is very good but I think I can simplify a bit more:
Blue slates when bred together make 3 colors, all are still pure slates.

Genetics are similar to blue/black/splash in chickens.

Blue slate to blue slate gives you:
25% black (2 black genes)
50% blue slate (1 blue gene, 1 black gene)
25% lavender or "self blue" (2 blue genes)

Blue to lavender will give:
50% blue
50% lavender

Lavender to lavender will give:
100% lavender

Black to lavender will give:
100% blue

Black to blue will give:
75% black
25% blue

As you can see, with the lavender plus black (royal palm) you should get all blue mottled this generation, which will give you the blue & lavender palm next generation in about 25% of the babies, blue palm for 50% & royal (black) palm for 25% if bred back to each other. Still not positive if this mottled to mottled throws slates as well or not. If you breed the blue mottled back to royal palm it will give all blue & black & then you will need another generation to get the lavender by breeding blue palm to blue palm.

Hmmm. Sounds like I need to build another turkey pen! Lol Thanks everyone for all the info!!!! I'm actually enjoying breeding my turkeys more than my chickens, but I think its just cause I make more $$ from the babies. Lol

I like my turkeys best too. If they laid year round I'd go to all turkeys. LOVE the lavenders!!!

 

[desertmarcy]

She is lavender. Very pretty girl

This explanation is very good but I think I can simplify a bit more:
Blue slates when bred together make 3 colors, all are still pure slates.

Genetics are similar to blue/black/splash in chickens.

Blue slate to blue slate gives you:
25% black (2 black genes)
50% blue slate (1 blue gene, 1 black gene)
25% lavender or "self blue" (2 blue genes)

Blue to lavender will give:
50% blue
50% lavender

Lavender to lavender will give:
100% lavender

Black to lavender will give:
100% blue

Black to blue will give:
75% black
25% blue

As you can see, with the lavender plus black (royal palm) you should get all blue mottled this generation, which will give you the blue & lavender palm next generation in about 25% of the babies, blue palm for 50% & royal (black) palm for 25% if bred back to each other. Still not positive if this mottled to mottled throws slates as well or not. If you breed the blue mottled back to royal palm it will give all blue & black & then you will need another generation to get the lavender by breeding blue palm to blue palm.

The turkey color genetic calculator is useful for figuring out genotypes from various crosses since it does all the calculations for you. Don't rely on the photos so much, many of them are not accurate at all. I'm not sure if I can paste the link correctly, but I will try:
http://kippenjungle.nl/kruisingFlex...own;,C;RP;Narragansett;Palm Darkwinged;Ermine;

 

[SilkieSensation]

The turkey color genetic calculator is useful for figuring out genotypes from various crosses since it does all the calculations for you. Don't rely on the photos so much, many of them are not accurate at all. I'm not sure if I can paste the link correctly, but I will try:
http://kippenjungle.nl/kruisingFlex...own;,C;RP;Narragansett;Palm Darkwinged;Ermine;

Not sure if it's my cell or the site but I can't get to anything except bronze/bronze because I have no clue what the gene codes mean. All I know is what colors are produced when I cross them, not the specific genetic codes that determine the colors.

 

[desertmarcy]

Not sure if it's my cell or the site but I can't get to anything except bronze/bronze because I have no clue what the gene codes mean. All I know is what colors are produced when I cross them, not the specific genetic codes that determine the colors.

The default is bronze/bronze. You change the codes for the genotype you are working with. Turkey color genetics is simple compared to chickens IMO. Porter has a short tutorial on his site, click on
"Feather Color Genetics" on his list. That will tell you what each gene's abbreviation is (b or b+ for bronze for instance), then he also gives the genotype of each color under his color descriptions. The turkey genetic calculator is a little different, in that c^p stands for the palm or grey gene and b^l is blackwinged bronze, but I think the rest of them are the same as what is used on Porter's website. There is also a thread on BYC that explains some of the turkey color genetics.
It's fun to play around with once you learn the basics

 

[SilkieSensation]

Not sure if it's my cell or the site but I can't get to anything except bronze/bronze because I have no clue what the gene codes mean. All I know is what colors are produced when I cross them, not the specific genetic codes that determine the colors.

The default is bronze/bronze. You change the codes for the genotype you are working with. Turkey color genetics is simple compared to chickens IMO. Porter has a short tutorial on his site, click on

"Feather Color Genetics" on his list. That will tell you what each gene's abbreviation is (b or b+ for bronze for instance), then he also gives the genotype of each color under his color descriptions. The turkey genetic calculator is a little different, in that c^p stands for the palm or grey gene and b^l is blackwinged bronze, but I think the rest of them are the same as what is used on Porter's website. There is also a thread on BYC that explains some of the turkey color genetics.
It's fun to play around with once you learn the basics

Problem is I would have to know what all of the genetic codes mean. I'd rather just hatch the eggs & see what pops out of them.

 

[Sydney Acres]

The turkey color genetic calculator is useful for figuring out genotypes from various crosses since it does all the calculations for you. Don't rely on the photos so much, many of them are not accurate at all. I'm not sure if I can paste the link correctly, but I will try:
http://kippenjungle.nl/kruisingFlex...own;,C;RP;Narragansett;Palm Darkwinged;Ermine;

Thank you for posting this. I have pinned it to my favorites.