Turkey Talk for 2014

[chickadoodles]

Quote: It looks like some sort of sinus infection. Could be CRD? You could take a nose swab with a q-tip and take it to a vet to test to let you know what it is.

 

[TattooedMama]

I have preliminary results back from the necropsy. Not quite sure what it all means at this point. Here is the major points of what they sent me in an email today. Any insight into interpretation would be great. looks like nothing largely alarming off the bat, from what I understand from this but I may be wrong. This is my first experience with this.

"7/17/14: Necropsy of the submitted poults revealed mild gross evidence of upper respiratory disease including some nasal
exudate in the female, and a large clump of blood-tinged, thick mucoid exudate in the laryngeal lumen of the male. Additional
testing should provide more information regarding the cause and significance of these findings. There were few other necropsy
findings apart from the presence of dark pink/red mucosa (internal lining) of the ceca (large intestine), that may be an indication
of hemorrhagic typhlitis (cecal inflammation). One possible cause of the latter would be coccidiosis; however no coccidia were
detected in a fecal pool although coccidia-like objects were detected in smears of cecal content. Histopathologic examination of
cecal sections will confirm or rule out the possibility of intestinal coccidiosis in these poults.
Serology, bacteriology, routine toxicology and histopathology results are pending"



"Poult A (female)
=============
The carcass weighs 1.42kg and is well-fleshed and in excellent postmortem condition. The nose contains scant mucoid
exudate, the laryngotracheal lumen is clear, the lungs are diffusely pink, and air sacs are unremarkable. The spleen is
moderately enlarged, the bursa is of moderate size, and the ovary is small and immature.
The crop and proventriculus are empty, and the gizzard contains grit and fragmented tan digesta. The small intestine is
slighlty turgid with green creamy fluid content, and the ceca contain scant tan/green creamy fluid and are line by dark
pink/red, folded mucosa.
All else is unremarkable.
Poult B (male)
===========
The carcass weighs 1.66kg, and is well-fleshed and in excellent postmortem condition. The nose is unremarkable, the
larynx contains a plug of thick, blood-tinged mucus, and the tracheal lumen is clear. The lower respiratory tract, heart,
liver, and kidneys are unremarkable, the spleen is mildly enlarged, the bursa is of moderate size, and the testes are small
and immature.
The upper digestive tract is empty, the gizzard contains grit and scant digesta, and the small intestine is turgid with green
creamy fluid content, and focally dark red mucosa in the duodenum. The ceca resemble those of poult A.
All else is unremarkable.
Round objects resembling coccidia are detected in small to moderate numbers in direct wet smears of cecal
content/mucosa from both poults."

 

[chickadoodles]

Tattooed Moma You should be able to call them and ask them if it is CRD.

 

[TattooedMama]

Tattooed Moma You should be able to call them and ask them if it is CRD. 

There was more in the email and it looks like they sent out a good number of tests. I don't think they have a diagnosis just yet based on the email. I will probably call them tomorrow. It also looks like they sent out texting I have to pay for but they didn't contact me first to ask if I was even willing to pay for it; it's a Salmonella PCR and there's 5 of them for a total of $30.

 

[casportpony]

Tattooed Moma You should be able to call them and ask them if it is CRD. 

Testing for that will take time.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Tattooed Moma You should be able to call them and ask them if it is CRD. 

There was more in the email and it looks like they sent out a good number of tests. I don't think they have a diagnosis just yet based on the email. I will probably call them tomorrow. It also looks like they sent out texting I have to pay for but they didn't contact me first to ask if I was even willing to pay for it; it's a Salmonella PCR and there's 5 of them for a total of $30.

Call them about that, salmonella testing has always been a no charge for mine.

-Kathy

 

[chickadoodles]

Quote: :/

Quote: I have never had to do this so it would drive me crazy waiting... :/

 

[Sydney Acres]

It looks like some sort of sinus infection. Could be CRD? You could take a nose swab with a q-tip and take it to a vet to test to let you know what it is.

It was my understanding that the poults were normal until an older poult was put in with them and there was lots of fighting, so this is most likely just trauma. Assuming, or course, that they were healthy to start with, and that the new poult didn't bring anything into the flock.

 

[Sydney Acres]

I have preliminary results back from the necropsy. Not quite sure what it all means at this point. Here is the major points of what they sent me in an email today. Any insight into interpretation would be great. looks like nothing largely alarming off the bat, from what I understand from this but I may be wrong. This is my first experience with this.

"7/17/14: Necropsy of the submitted poults revealed mild gross evidence of upper respiratory disease including some nasal
exudate in the female, and a large clump of blood-tinged, thick mucoid exudate in the laryngeal lumen of the male. Additional
testing should provide more information regarding the cause and significance of these findings. There were few other necropsy
findings apart from the presence of dark pink/red mucosa (internal lining) of the ceca (large intestine), that may be an indication
of hemorrhagic typhlitis (cecal inflammation). One possible cause of the latter would be coccidiosis; however no coccidia were
detected in a fecal pool although coccidia-like objects were detected in smears of cecal content. Histopathologic examination of
cecal sections will confirm or rule out the possibility of intestinal coccidiosis in these poults.
Serology, bacteriology, routine toxicology and histopathology results are pending"



"Poult A (female)
=============
The carcass weighs 1.42kg and is well-fleshed and in excellent postmortem condition. The nose contains scant mucoid
exudate, the laryngotracheal lumen is clear, the lungs are diffusely pink, and air sacs are unremarkable. The spleen is
moderately enlarged, the bursa is of moderate size, and the ovary is small and immature.
The crop and proventriculus are empty, and the gizzard contains grit and fragmented tan digesta. The small intestine is
slighlty turgid with green creamy fluid content, and the ceca contain scant tan/green creamy fluid and are line by dark
pink/red, folded mucosa.
All else is unremarkable.
Poult B (male)
===========
The carcass weighs 1.66kg, and is well-fleshed and in excellent postmortem condition. The nose is unremarkable, the
larynx contains a plug of thick, blood-tinged mucus, and the tracheal lumen is clear. The lower respiratory tract, heart,
liver, and kidneys are unremarkable, the spleen is mildly enlarged, the bursa is of moderate size, and the testes are small
and immature.
The upper digestive tract is empty, the gizzard contains grit and scant digesta, and the small intestine is turgid with green
creamy fluid content, and focally dark red mucosa in the duodenum. The ceca resemble those of poult A.
All else is unremarkable.
Round objects resembling coccidia are detected in small to moderate numbers in direct wet smears of cecal
content/mucosa from both poults."

What this all means is that they found some abnormalities in the upper respiratory tract (nose and back of the throat, right in front of the windpipe) and in the back part of the intestines, and they're doing tests to find out if the abnormalities are just something that is wrong with these two individual birds, or if it's something that could be contagious to the rest of your flock. There's lots of diseases that look very similar to the naked eye, so asking the pathologist to guess if it's one problem or another is not useful. All you would get is an educated guess, if s/he were foolish enough to even provide one. Most would at best give you a long list of things that might fit the visual findings, but should never tell you that they think it is XYZ until they have the lab results to confirm their suspicions. It would be horrible if someone prematurely depopulated a flock because they were told that it might be something serious, and then it later turned out to be nothing to worry about. Hopefully, most experienced pathologist are more responsible than that. The numerous test results should start coming in over the next 1-5 days, so it's best to just wait until you know exactly what's going on before doing anything that you can't undo.

But waiting is torture -- I know!!

 

[Sydney Acres]

Quote: Call them about that, salmonella testing has always been a no charge for mine.

-Kathy

Was that at no charge for PCRs, or just for cultures?