Turkeys for Eggs

[The Moonshiner]

No.
They're different breeds because they have different characteristics. They are not the same size, weight etc.
Just like chickens and ducks turkeys all came from the same place but were bred for different reasons and for different characteristics.

 

[The Moonshiner]

It is not a matter of opinion.

The term breed when properly used differentiates at the species level.

There are two species of turkeys.

Ocellated turkeys which are Meleagris ocellata

and all other turkeys which are Meleagris gallipavo

Technically there are two breeds which are Ocellated Turkeys and Turkeys.

All domestic turkeys are descended from the wild turkey which is Meleagris gallipavo gallipavo.

There are huge physical differences between broad breasted and heritage turkeys but since they are all the same species they are all the same breed and are properly differentiated by the term Variety.

I've had this debate with you and you didn't convince me.
I will ask you again if all domestic turkeys are the same breed because they came from the same species then why aren't all domestic chickens all the same breed? They all came from the same species. Same with ducks. They all came from the same species so why are they different breeds?

 

[memphis]

Using dogs as an example, dachshund is a breed of dog. There are different varieties of dachshund. Standard, mini, long/short/wire hair and colors. All the same breed but quite different varieties.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Using turkeys as an example.
Royal palms are a breed of turkey. There are different varieties of royal palms.
Royal palms, blue royal palms, chocolate royal palms, penciled royal palms, etc.

 

[R2elk]

I've had this debate with you and you didn't convince me.
I will ask you again if all domestic turkeys are the same breed because they came from the same species then why aren't all domestic chickens all the same breed? They all came from the same species. Same with ducks. They all came from the same species so why are they different breeds?

It is time for you to educate yourself and stop trying to force your opinion when your opinion does not agree with the facts.

Turkeys other than the Ocellated turkey not only all come from the same species they are all genetically classified as the same species.

There is nothing to debate here. There are the facts which you choose to ignore and then there is your opinion which doesn't matter because you are ignoring the facts.

 

[R2elk]

Using turkeys as an example.
Royal palms are a breed of turkey. There are different varieties of royal palms.
Royal palms, blue royal palms, chocolate royal palms, penciled royal palms, etc.

Royal Palms are a Variety of the breed Turkey. If anything, Royal palms and all other palms would be a sub variety of the Oregon Gray.

By your flawed opinion, a Sweetgrass and a Royal Palm are two separate breeds. If you mate a Sweetgrass tom with a Royal Palm hen, all the offspring will be Sweetgrass. The female offspring will be pure Sweetgrass because the Royal Palm hen cannot pass her recessive Narragansett color gene to her female offspring. All the male offspring will be Sweetgrass carrying a hidden recessive Narragansett color gene. They will not be some kind of hybrid because they are not separate breeds.

 

[The Moonshiner]

It is time for you to educate yourself and stop trying to force your opinion when your opinion does not agree with the facts.

Turkeys other than the Ocellated turkey not only all come from the same species they are all genetically classified as the same species.

There is nothing to debate here. There are the facts which you choose to ignore and then there is your opinion which doesn't matter because you are ignoring the facts.

I have tried to educate myself but I haven't found any answers to convince me my opinion is wrong.
And as far as facts, where are they? You started before saying they were all the same breed because they were the same genus then later switched it to species. I've asked you questions but you never answered any. I just ask you questions in this thread but you have no comment.
Your facts were a blog and how the APA lists them.
You keep talking about how all this is fact and all I have is an ignorant opinion.
Well at least I have an opinion and the will to discuss why I have that opinion and ask questions and ask for sources of facts.
All you do is basically call me stupid, dodge all questions and spout about these facts that I have yet to see.

 

[Kiki]

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/poultry/turkeys/turkeys.html/

http://www.nwtf.org/hunt/article/wild-turkey-subspecies

https://livestockconservancy.org/index.php/resources/internal/heritage-turkey
http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/Breeds-Varieties - Waterfowl, Turkey, Guinea - APA WEB.pdf

 

[The Angry Hen]

I know turkeys aren't really known for their egg laying capability, but what breed would lay the most eggs?

I do not have turkeys. I am not sure who to agree with on the debate above... But all I can say is I would like to get turkeys, and in my opinion bronze would be my go-to.

Please don't take my advice 100%, I am no expert but this is my opinion.

Good luck with you turkeys-to-be! And have a lovely evening.

God Bless,
-The Angry Hen

 

[The Moonshiner]

Is it not basic info that a breed has to have a standard? To be a breed they have to breed true to the breed standard?
If i breed a Brahma to a Brahma you get a Brahma. Brahma is the breed. The different colors are the Brahma varieties. But all brahmas meet the standard.
What s the turkey standard?
I can't see a midget white fitting the same standard as a bourbon red. If you breed a bourbon red to a MW you don't know what you'll get. Could be more like a BR or a MW or something in between.
Im not talking color either. I'm talking the size, shape etc.
I'm gonna ask you one last time. Why do turkeys work different then chickens or ducks. Or are all ducks the same breed and all chickens the same breed also.