Two questions for gun control people

[OldGuy43]

So there is some difference between being killed intentionally and being killed by accident? Dead is dead!

Incidentally:

• Three in every ten Americans will be involved in an alcohol-related crash at some point in their lives.
• Of fatal accidents in 2009, 32 percent involved alcohol-impaired drivers.
• On average, one person died every 48 minutes in 2009 due to an alcohol-impaired driver.

While I no longer drink, except in the privacy of my own home on New Years Eve, I still want the right to.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I will agree that more people are killed in auto accidents than in auto murder but at least where I live, most gun deaths are suicide or self defense, not murder.

 

[cupman]

So there is some difference between being killed intentionally and being killed by accident? Dead is dead!

Hypothetically speaking. You are on trial for a death. You either accidentally killed them or you did it because you hated them. Which do you choose?

(yeah, there's a difference)

 

[hemet dennis]

Quote:
See your side wants to say if it saves one kid then we should do it. But you only want to talk the talk you don't want to walk the walk. When you put the argument up that if you don't make the changes I want then you don't care about saving maybe one kids life. Now if that's your sides argument for passing gun reform then don't you think you should go by your own argument ?

 

[cupman]

hemet dennis, i have said i don't believe in gun control. I have an open mind about it all andt I come from a pro-gun family. I am just asking you questions, I'm not trying to take your guns.

 

[hemet dennis]

hemet dennis, i have said i don't believe in gun control. I have an open mind about it all andt I come from a pro-gun family. I am just asking you questions, I'm not trying to take your guns.

Then my comments are directed at the ones that want to change the laws because it may save one child's life.

 

[KristyHall]

By that logic we should outlaw births completely or legalize abortions completely. 21 women per 100,000 die in birth in the united states in 2010. We also have one of the highest abortion rates and lowest access to affordable health care for pregnant women, birth control, paid maternal leave, and work accommodations of other established countries
Now if you compare the US to a country like Germany, that only had 7 deaths per 100,000 in 2010. Germany is a much harsher country in many ways, has about the same access to abortions as we do, but women have better access to prenatal care, and better benefits in maternal leave and work accommodations than we do, as well as far lower abortion rates.

By comparing vehicle deaths to gun death is comparing apples to oranges. Both involve fruit (deaths) but both are completely different in how they are grown, handled, type, eaten, and in numbers of production (population vs. usage, types, intentions, and frequency). We can not apply a simple one side solution to a complex problem, ie. ban all guns, ban no guns, ban all abortions, ban no abortions, ban all cars, ban no cars, improve mental health, label all people mentally ill, etc. (before anyone starts I am NOT siding with any side on abortion or cars, they are JUST examples using cold hard data from multiple consistent sources)

 

[hemet dennis]

By that logic we should outlaw births completely or legalize abortions completely. 21 women per 100,000 die in birth in the united states in 2010. We also have one of the highest abortion rates and lowest access to affordable health care for pregnant women, birth control, paid maternal leave, and work accommodations of other established countries
Now if you compare the US to a country like Germany, that only had 7 deaths per 100,000 in 2010. Germany is a much harsher country in many ways, has about the same access to abortions as we do, but women have better access to prenatal care, and better benefits in maternal leave and work accommodations than we do, as well as far lower abortion rates.

By comparing vehicle deaths to gun death is comparing apples to oranges. Both involve fruit (deaths) but both are completely different in how they are grown, handled, type, eaten, and in numbers of production (population vs. usage, types, intentions, and frequency). We can not apply a simple one side solution to a complex problem, ie. ban all guns, ban no guns, ban all abortions, ban no abortions, ban all cars, ban no cars, improve mental health, label all people mentally ill, etc. (before anyone starts I am NOT siding with any side on abortion or cars, they are JUST examples using cold hard data from multiple consistent sources)

That's fine take the $500 million that Obama wants to spend on gun control and put it to prenatal care. If the facts show it will save lives.

 

[KristyHall]

That's fine take the $500 million that Obama wants to spend on gun control and put it to prenatal care. If the facts show it will save lives.

Since everything you disagree with is automatically Obama's fault.

How about this, and this is just a suggestion so bare with me, We could take all that millions of dollars it would take to post armed guards at every already under staffed under budgeted school, thanks to some of the laws passed in the Bush administration, and use it for prenatal health care and measures to ensure women have equal protection in jobs when pregnant, and paid maternal leave, and paid paternal leave.

Or, and this is just another thought, put the money into the schools for things like teachers and books to better educate students, so they can grow up to be more productive adults less likely to be on the streets committing crimes.

But then that would mean a compromise.

 

[hemet dennis]

Quote: Am I wrong that Obama wants to spend $500 million on gun control ? I say Obama because it's his policy and I think he will have trouble getting it through the Democratic controlled Senate.

When did I ever say to spend millions to post guards at all the schools ? Allowing teachers to be armed wont cost anything.