Two questions for gun control people

[cubalaya]

it doesn't matter what point was trying to be made or what either side wants. the constitution says 'shall not be infringed'. no executive order that limits our rights will stand with the american people. if you really want the children safe then allow teachers to carry concealed.

 

[OldGuy43]

There is one thing I have to agree with. Education is the key. Things like social contracts. The 2nd Amendment would make a good place to start. Follow that up with The Dick Act of 1903.

 

[MamaRoo]

it doesn't matter what point was trying to be made or what either side wants. the constitution says 'shall not be infringed'. no executive order that limits our rights will stand with the american people.

Fortunately, no one is talking about banning guns, only defining what is appropriate to be carried by civilians. You can rest easy tonight.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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Actually the courts have held that they can only ban things that are very rare, very dangerous(when compared to what is in normal use), or has no military use.

They are wanting to ban the number one gun sold in the US cause it is "military" an used a standard "military" round an holds the "standard" 30 rounds. So if you go by current case law, what they want to do is exactly what the courts have said is infringement.

 

[Demosthine]

Fortunately, no one is talking about banning guns, only defining what is appropriate to be carried by civilians. You can rest easy tonight.

Actually, several gun control advocates have and are pushing for complete gun bans. Chicago had a nearly complete ban on handguns, but it was recently struck down by the Supreme Court. For nearly 30 years, Washington D.C. had a nearly complete ban on handguns ownership. During that time period, any "legally" owned handguns must be kept unloaded while inside the private residence and disabled by disassembly or a complicated trigger lock. That was recently struck down.

Chicago just passed a new set of laws that works around the Supreme Court's decision regarding the possession and carry of handguns by limiting only magazines of 7 rounds or less be carried. This was a very clear-cut method to circumvent handgun bans because nearly all manufacturers make 10-round magazines for the restricted states. Interestingly enough, the new law also outlaws certain "clip" or "magazine" rifles, such as the M1 Garand. My semi-automatic .22lr rifle has a magazine that holds more than 7 rounds.


Yet another excellent resource, with a lot of documentation and references is at Just Facts.

 

[MamaRoo]

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Actually the courts have held that they can only ban things that are very rare, very dangerous(when compared to what is in normal use), or has no military use.

They are wanting to ban the number one gun sold in the US cause it is "military" an used a standard "military" round an holds the "standard" 30 rounds. So if you go by current case law, what they want to do is exactly what the courts have said is infringement.

Courts interpret the constitution. Exactly how it's interpreted will always change over time. My point was that the right to bear arms isn't being challenged, only what types are appropriate for civilians. No infringement going on.

 

[duckluck]

it doesn't matter what point was trying to be made or what either side wants. the constitution says 'shall not be infringed'. no executive order that limits our rights will stand with the american people. if you really want the children safe then allow teachers to carry concealed.

Exactly. It is not a "living" document.

 

[duckluck]

Fortunately, no one is talking about banning guns, only defining what is appropriate to be carried by civilians. You can rest easy tonight.

I believe the exact words used by the powers-that-be were along the lines of "start with banning...". Usually when someone uses the term "start with", it implies more drastic action will commence at a later date.

 

[MamaRoo]

Quote: Ah, the dreaded "slippery slope" argument. Smoking marijuana will lead to heroin addiction and all that. I find it's always more efficient to deal with reality, not futures that I've made up.

 

[woody743]

The government will take everything they can from us including our freedom. They are taking more and more every day. Take are money and give it to freeloaders. I don't want to say much more.
JMO

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