UGLY PROLAPSE - HELP!

[azygous]

As old timer Americans used to say, "In for a penny, in for a pound." Meaning, you've put this much time and energy into this hen, so follow it up for a while longer.

We should have stressed that once a hen has trouble with prolapse, they will likely have more prolapses. Infection is a big problem as it becomes chronic, as it may be doing in your hen with repeated leaking of yolks into the body cavity. You are right in thinking this is not going to resolve, but we never know for sure. Since she's under care of a vet, and you don't have to take out a loan to pay for it, then I would hang in there for a little longer.

Your hen is at the tipping point. She will continue to get worse with no improvement, in which case it will be obvious that you should hasten the end, or she will begin to improve in the next day and continue to improve. See what she does today and tomorrow. You will know if you should euthanize.

 

[BigBlueHen53]

Her color actually looks pretty good.

 

[MaeM]

Her color actually looks pretty good.

She looks good, but she doesn't eat or drink on her own, and her crop isn't emptying as rapidly as it should (according to the vets who are taking care of her).

She also has diarrhea.

The vets adviced me to leave her in the hospital one more day, however, I talked to her "original" vet in my city and he kinda suspects they're trying to keep her hospitalized to take more money from me.

He said: "I mean, they're feeding her and hydrating her with a syringe, you can do that at home".

She is on antibiotics and anti-inflammatories too, and while it's easier to keep her connected to an "IV", I can force her to have the medication orally. I even know how to give her shots if she needs them.

So the plan is bringing her to her original team of vets so that they can evaluate her and tell me how to take care of her at home.

The ones who keep her hospitalized have demonstrated to be assh0l3s. Ruby's vet call them and they refused to share any information with him, who is the guy who DERIVED HER THERE in the first place. I mean ????????

He said that they probably don't want to tell him what's happening because if they do, he will know that it's not necessary to keep her hospitalized. They don't know that he has listened to all the audios they sent me with the updates on Ruby's case, lol. He also saw the pics and said the same as you, that her color and comb look good.

And most importantly, they lied to me about the neutering surgery.

They said that it would be similar to what they did now - so that they can neuter her and justify a few more days of hospitalization.

I told this to her original vet and he said : WHAT? No, we neuter birds with a laparoscopic surgery, they almost don't lose any blood and you can take her home immediately.

So... There you are

I will pick her up tomorrow and will put her in a 50x50 cage to continue with the treatment at home.

Any tips for the setup?

 

[PopoMyers]

She looks good, but she doesn't eat or drink on her own, and her crop isn't emptying as rapidly as it should (according to the vets who are taking care of her).

She also has diarrhea.

The vets adviced me to leave her in the hospital one more day, however, I talked to her "original" vet in my city and he kinda suspects they're trying to keep her hospitalized to take more money from me.

He said: "I mean, they're feeding her and hydrating her with a syringe, you can do that at home".

She is on antibiotics and anti-inflammatories too, and while it's easier to keep her connected to an "IV", I can force her to have the medication orally. I even know how to give her shots if she needs them.

So the plan is bringing her to her original team of vets so that they can evaluate her and tell me how to take care of her at home.

The ones who keep her hospitalized have demonstrated to be assh0l3s. Ruby's vet call them and they refused to share any information with him, who is the guy who DERIVED HER THERE in the first place. I mean ????????

He said that they probably don't want to tell him what's happening because if they do, he will know that it's not necessary to keep her hospitalized. They don't know that he has listened to all the audios they sent me with the updates on Ruby's case, lol. He also saw the pics and said the same as you, that her color and comb look good.

And most importantly, they lied to me about the neutering surgery.

They said that it would be similar to what they did now - so that they can neuter her and justify a few more days of hospitalization.

I told this to her original vet and he said : WHAT? No, we neuter birds with a laparoscopic surgery, they almost don't lose any blood and you can take her home immediately.

So... There you are

I will pick her up tomorrow and will put her in a 50x50 cage to continue with the treatment at home.

Any tips for the setup?

Those kind of vets should be ashamed of themselves. So glad you realized this and didn't spend more $. Caught up with you from the other thread. When my Pepper had a really bad prolapse this past March, It took 3 weeks of 2x daily epsom salt bath soaks, Preparation H after each bath, while gently pushing tissue back in. It may come back out while you're doing this, but eventually it should stay in longer each day. Meloxicam for inflammation. Calcium supplements for her to expel soft eggs and for muscle contraction, and kept in a dark room, feeding only cracked corn to prevent egg formation. Additionally, Pepper had a yeast infection (constant leakage of white stuff) so also had to treat her concurrently with yeast infection cream. She went on to heal and continue laying until she started molting. Keep on being the great chicken mom that you are.

 

[MaeM]

Those kind of vets should be ashamed of themselves. So glad you realized this and didn't spend more $. Caught up with you from the other thread. When my Pepper had a really bad prolapse this past March, It took 3 weeks of 2x daily epsom salt bath soaks, Preparation H after each bath, while gently pushing tissue back in. It may come back out while you're doing this, but eventually it should stay in longer each day. Meloxicam for inflammation. Calcium supplements for her to expel soft eggs and for muscle contraction, and kept in a dark room, feeding only cracked corn to prevent egg formation. Additionally, Pepper had a yeast infection (constant leakage of white stuff) so also had to treat her concurrently with yeast infection cream. She went on to heal and continue laying until she started molting. Keep on being the great chicken mom that you are.

This is a great treatment, but I don't think it would have worked in Ruby's case, as she had tenesmus - a spasm in her rectum that made her feel like she wanted to poop or lay an egg all the time. As a result of this, she pushed her rectum (and oviduct!) outside of the body in an attempt to poop/lay an egg that wasn't there, so the prolapse could've never stayed in place, not until the tenesmus disappeared.

Did Pepper push her prolapse in the opposite direction? Did it "inflate" like a balloon? Or did it simply "hang" from her vent?

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In other news, I'm kind of hesitating about picking Ruby up tomorrow, because even if I believe that they want my money, I don't think they're lying in that they're providing Ruby with fluids, antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, and now they've told me they've added prokinetics to stimulate her GI motility (emptying her crop, basically).

Like, they must be actually taking care of her, and they're constantly monitoring her (even at night) because they're a team of vets with an ER apart from the ICU she's in.

But if I leave her there, I'd lose the opportunity to let her n°1 vet (the avian specialist who treated her previous prolapse) see her as he will be in my town tomorrow. And, of course, I'd spend more money (I'm using my savings for this).

Maybe this is a question for the vets, but does anyone have an idea of why would she be having trouble emptying her crop in this context? I think I'm afraid of bringing her home and dealing with some sort of crop impaction or sour crop (if she doesn't empty her crop, the food could ferment there and get a sour crop, right?). Especially knowing that I won't be able to take her to the ER again.

 

[azygous]

Spending your savings! That's true love!

Crop issues go along with reproductive issues. Just as a plumbing obstruction in the sewer line far from the toilet will prevent the bowl from emptying, so do reproductive obstructions prevent the crop from emptying. Once the lower plumbing is resolved, so will the crop start working again.

 

[MaeM]

Spending your savings! That's true love!

Crop issues go along with reproductive issues. Just as a plumbing obstruction in the sewer line far from the toilet will prevent the bowl from emptying, so do reproductive obstructions prevent the crop from emptying. Once the lower plumbing is resolved, so will the crop start working again.

I'm guessing that in this case, her body interprets that she has a "reproductive obstruction" because that area must still be inflamed, right? Like, not an actual obstruction, just a lot of inflammation.

I remember that the previous time she had this, she couldn't poop due to inflammation. Now she spent like 24 hours without pooping, and is still not releasing a proper t*rd, just diarrhea.

I guess I kinda got insecure about whether I can deal with this or not at home.

 

[PopoMyers]

This is a great treatment, but I don't think it would have worked in Ruby's case, as she had tenesmus - a spasm in her rectum that made her feel like she wanted to poop or lay an egg all the time. As a result of this, she pushed her rectum (and oviduct!) outside of the body in an attempt to poop/lay an egg that wasn't there, so the prolapse could've never stayed in place, not until the tenesmus disappeared.

Did Pepper push her prolapse in the opposite direction? Did it "inflate" like a balloon? Or did it simply "hang" from her vent?

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In other news, I'm kind of hesitating about picking Ruby up tomorrow, because even if I believe that they want my money, I don't think they're lying in that they're providing Ruby with fluids, antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, and now they've told me they've added prokinetics to stimulate her GI motility (emptying her crop, basically).

Like, they must be actually taking care of her, and they're constantly monitoring her (even at night) because they're a team of vets with an ER apart from the ICU she's in.

But if I leave her there, I'd lose the opportunity to let her n°1 vet (the avian specialist who treated her previous prolapse) see her as he will be in my town tomorrow. And, of course, I'd spend more money (I'm using my savings for this).

Maybe this is a question for the vets, but does anyone have an idea of why would she be having trouble emptying her crop in this context? I think I'm afraid of bringing her home and dealing with some sort of crop impaction or sour crop (if she doesn't empty her crop, the food could ferment there and get a sour crop, right?). Especially knowing that I won't be able to take her to the ER again.

Oh, my, poor Ruby. Pepper's just hung outside, no ballooning. How are you holding out? I've heard of chicken birth control, I believe it's a subcutaneous implant, versus neutering, which sounds more invasive. Hoping she pulls through this.

 

[PopoMyers]

I'm guessing that in this case, her body interprets that she has a "reproductive obstruction" because that area must still be inflamed, right? Like, not an actual obstruction, just a lot of inflammation.

I remember that the previous time she had this, she couldn't poop due to inflammation. Now she spent like 24 hours without pooping, and is still not releasing a proper t*rd, just diarrhea.

I guess I kinda got insecure about whether I can deal with this or not at home.

You are not the first one to feel insecure, or just unsure of what we can handle or treat.

 

[MaeM]

Oh, my, poor Ruby. Pepper's just hung outside, no ballooning. How are you holding out? I've heard of chicken birth control, I believe it's a subcutaneous implant, versus neutering, which sounds more invasive. Hoping she pulls through this.

You mean Suprelorin. It is not available in my country, otherwise, I would have put that implant on her the first time she prolapsed. There was a second time because there was ovulation and no Suprelorin to stop it.

I have a feeling that she will pull through this, she is already walking around the clinic, exploring her surroundings. And she ate some seeds on her own. The problem right now is that 1) that's not enough food, they are still syringe feeding her, 2) she doesn't poop much, she mostly pees, 3) her crop doesn't empty as easily and rapidly as it should.

They advised me to leave her there one more day, her original vets do not agree, and I honestly don't know what to do, LOL