Understanding the lavender gene

[wilds of pa]

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Ive had them as well as a young boy, that wasn't what i was talking about, I'm sure many of us raised chickens as youngsters.
We've also showed him how to candle eggs and even broke eggs open here to show him what a fertilized egg looks like inside.

Anyway here's a pic from just last year of that triple tufted araucana we hatched for yous, as well as many other chicks we have, we've even used one of our broodys to hatch out lavender ameraucan type as well for yous when our incubators were filled up completely(large and bantam), if Harry hasn't forgotten..

These are my pic's

Charlie

 

[gumpsgirl]

Okay... Let's keep things civil people. If you have personal issues, please leave them off the board and take them to PM.

Let's stay on topic please.

 

[wilds of pa]

gumpsgirl, you got it.. Sorry

Charlie

 

[Krys109uk]

hinkjc wrote:
Lav to Black produces all Black offspring carrying a Lav gene (black in visual color) - the gene is set. Breed these splits back to a lav bird and progeny will be lavender and split lavender.

Poulet de Cajun wrote:
This isn't entirely correct. I didnt' read the rest of the 10 page thread, but when I bred my lavender to black, I got black chicks, but I also got what we call "mutts." They have the partridge chipmunk stripes.

That would indicate that both the lavender and the black were each carrying an unwanted gene.

Does "mutt" mean of mixed colour or of mixed breed (or both)?. In many cases project birds would be considered of mixed breed until the project has succeeded in having birds conform to type of the desired breed & for birds to breed true to type.​

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I think people use the term mutt to mean different things. We need separate words for dealing with mixed breeds versus mixed varieties.

I have an absolutely gorgeous silkie cockerel--pure silkie--super typey, nice, nice long full feathering everywhere, nicely proportioned full thick crest, thick foot feathering, good toe placement. He is stunning!

Then you look at the colouring of his plumage, and he is an absolute mess. He appears to be somewhere between grey and columbian, throw in a bit of splash and a hint of very wide (1") barring (what creates THAT??), oh and don't forget autosomal red.

He is certainly not a mutt, but he is also certainly not standard.

 

[Krys109uk]

Sonoran Silkies wrote:

He is certainly not a mutt, but he is also certainly not standard

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I know precisely what you mean....I have a fair few Orpingtons like that & some Marans

I was just confused by the term & the way in which it was used. Your explanation makes sense....thanks.​

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Okay, so mutt is now to be used only for a mixed breed. What is the best term to use for a non-standard variety (regardless of whether or not it is part of an actual project)?

 

[Poulets De Cajun]

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The lavender would have to be pure lavender, otherwise it wouldn't be lavender right? Since it takes two genes to make lavender?

The only thing that I can think would cause the chipmunk stripes is genes hidden under the lavender that have lingered from when the lavender Silkies were bred to whites to improve type.

 

[Krys109uk]

Sonoran Silkies wrote:

Okay, so mutt is now to be used only for a mixed breed. What is the best term to use for a non-standard variety (regardless of whether or not it is part of an actual project)?

A mess????

Well that's what I call mine​

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Well, you could do a test breeding of one that has the stripes (once it's all grown up, of course) back to a white and see what you get--of course you'll also be exposing the white's hidden genes, so you need to breed also to a lavender without the down stripes and compare the two sets of resulting chicks.

I'm wondering if the lavenders who had down striping actually have a pattern that isn't very apparent due to the combination of 1) the subtlety of the lavender colour & 2) the structure of the silkie feathers?