Unusual Breathing - General Questions

Lumikko

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Sep 14, 2019
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Backstory: ~3 year old Buff Orpington hen adopted just under 1 week ago along with her two coop mates (~3 yr and ~6yr hens). These girls were surrendered to our local chicken rescue and spent just under 2 weeks there separate from general population. While the two 3 years old were definitely skinny and all three were a looking sad and pathetic looking, everyone was eating, drinking, had normal stools, and seemed bright and active. They moved into our quarantine coop/run separate from our girls and had been doing fairly well for a few days. I did find what I thought was a lash egg one morning. Unfortunately this was before the camera was hooked up so I don't know who "laid" it.

The issue: After the usual nightly check on the chicken cameras, I noticed one of the new girls seemed to be breathing strangely. She wasn't open mouth panting but seemed to be breathing heavier that usual with pronounced filling of what I think are her air sacs on the side of her neck? It almost looked like she swallowed a balloon that was inflating/deflating on the sides of her neck and under her chin as she breathed. She seemed to be having difficulties settling down but when she did finally settle on the roost bar, her breathing looked much heavier than it should (her whole little body was moving). I brought her inside, the odd breathing continued, and I could hear a very faint clicking noise. She seemed bright enough during the day, exploring the little quarantine run with the other two, eating, drinking, and dust-bathing like a fiend. She does have kind of funny eyelids, almost like there was a little cut in the top that healed. She's a scrappy little thing.

The vet visit: As things definitely seemed weird, we took her to an emergency hospital. While the vet on staff wasn't an avian/poultry vet, she did have experience with chickens during her time in general practice. She said the breathing did seem more labored/pronounced than normal but her eyes and nostrils looked clear with no discharge, she had a small amount of material in her crop and seemed well hydrated, however her abdomen felt firmer than she thought was normal. They took x-rays and the vet felt that her lungs/air sacs looked normal but there might be a mass in her abdomen that could be causing discomfort.

And now: I asked the vet if she felt this was respiratory or due to the mass and she said it's hard to know given how prevalent respiratory diseases are in chickens. She sent her home with Doxycycline (antibiotic, respiratory) and Metacam (anti-inflammatory, pain relief), recommended keeping her separate for one week to monitor her progress and to keep an eye on all the other girls. I'm sending the x-rays out for review by an avian/exotic radiologist but we likely won't get the results for several days.

Questions: I'd love to know what people think of all this? Of course I'm concerned about respiratory due to the high likelihood of it spreading and have been and will continue to take all possible precautions looking after the two sets of girls (well, now three as one is inside). If it is respiratory, are there suggestions on what I can add for the other girls to try boost their immune systems and hopefully help fight off any infections? If it isn't respiratory and is discomfort due to an abdominal mass, any suggestions there on what to look out for (other than the breathing) to indicate her quality of life is no longer adequate? Have people seen the odd neck-balloon breathing with either respiratory illness or discomfort?

After the vet tech almost had a finger taken off feeding this little hen blueberries, our girl has now been affectionately nicknamed Pancake. I've attached a couple of pictures - her being a good girl at the vets, and then jpeg versions of her x-rays. I do have the DICOM files if anyone wants them.

Thank you all!
 

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Thanks for the xray, but I am not very good at interpreting a chicken xray. Is her lower belly under the vent enlarged and swollen, spongy or tight like a drum? She could be suffering from ascites or water belly, which could make her breathing more labored. A mass could be from lash egg material that is sometimes seen during a necropsy. I see the gizzard with grit inside, and a gizzard can feel like a mass. Clicking while breathing is definitely a sign of a respiratory problem. I saw this when a young chick suffered a leaking air sac that made her whole side inflate with air under the skin. It can happen with blunt trauma or sometimes, infection. Without a crystal ball, it can be hard to know exactly what is going on. Some chickens can suffer from aspergillosis, a fungal infection from mold exposure that can make them gasp and cause the disease to spread through the air sacs.
 
Thanks for the xray, but I am not very good at interpreting a chicken xray. Is her lower belly under the vent enlarged and swollen, spongy or tight like a drum? She could be suffering from ascites or water belly, which could make her breathing more labored. A mass could be from lash egg material that is sometimes seen during a necropsy. I see the gizzard with grit inside, and a gizzard can feel like a mass. Clicking while breathing is definitely a sign of a respiratory problem. I saw this when a young chick suffered a leaking air sac that made her whole side inflate with air under the skin. It can happen with blunt trauma or sometimes, infection. Without a crystal ball, it can be hard to know exactly what is going on. Some chickens can suffer from aspergillosis, a fungal infection from mold exposure that can make them gasp and cause the disease to spread through the air sacs.
Thank you for taking a look at it. I will feel her lower belly when I get back home (running to get supplies for her isolation coop). I can't tell anything from chicken xrays. They are just weird looking. I've circled the area the vet was concerned about.
 

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It could be a large lash egg mass. These can grow very large inside the oviduct or abdomen. There are many graphic pictures of them online.
 
It could be a large lash egg mass. These can grow very large inside the oviduct or abdomen. There are many graphic pictures of them online.
Her belly feels firm but not tight as a drum. Its a little squishy off to one side but they gave her SQ fluids last night so I'm wondering if that is a result of that.

If it is a large lash egg, anything than can be done? I'm pretty certain I know the answer but want to ask.

Thank you again.
 
Many hens suffer from lash eggs inside them, and many times we don’t even know they are there unless whe perform a necropsy after death. Here is a photo in post 42 of a hen with ascites being drained:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/laying-hens-with-water-belly-or-ascites.68731/page-5
Thank you for this information.

For general hen in-house hospitalization, just quiet place with access to food, water, and nice area to roost/sleep? She ate a little of her food this morning and seems okay. Quiet but I wouldn't expect much else given she's in a new place again and without her flock mates
 
She may feel more comfortable if she is separated, but next to the other chickens. A dog crate with food and water is good for that. You can move it in and outside.
 
Update - heard back from the radiologist. It looks like she has a mass in her abdomen as well as pericardial and perihepatic effusion causing compression of her air sacs :(. Not sure exactly what my next steps will be.
 

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