Updated - Corid and Amprol (amprolium) Dosing

[casportpony]

1%
http://www.drugs.com/vet/ivermectin-pour-on-for-cattle.html

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Maybe some of you are thinking but "those amounts are for cattle". Yes they are, but I can assure you that the recommended doses for poultry are the same. So many people have used ivermectin and lost their birds. Sure, use 10x the dose and it will probably work.

Gotta ask... For those with horses, would you ever give your horse ten tubes of paste? If the answer is no, then why give ten times the recommended dose to a bird? You'll probably be okay doing this with something like ivermctin or fenbendazole, but you may find yourself in trouble if you ever do this with a less forgiving wormer like moxidectin or albendazole.

-Kathy

 

[Trefoil]

No wonder I have no worm problems using ivermectin. But I was going by this kind of research, which tells me I'm under dosing. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2267731

 

[Trefoil]

Trefoil, keep in mind my all my birds came from US, not sure if this will make any difference here, also 90% of peafowls in Kuwait came from US specially the new colors.

I thought of that after I posted, but again it would depend on whether whoever you bought the birds from uses ivermectin successfully and at what dosage. My use of both albendazole and ivermectin is a hold over from the guinea fowl forum from years ago.

 

[Trefoil]

Not wanting to argue, and it's possible there is an error in my math, but the recommended dose for 1% ivermectin (10mg/ml) is 0.2mg per kg and the recommended dose for the 0.05% pour on (5mg/ml) is 0.5mg per kg.

Based on the above, 2.5ml of the pour on is enough to treat a 55 pound cow.

Do the math and let me know if I'm wrong.

Studies have shown that it is effective when given in high doses like you have been doing, but you're probably giving 10x the recommended dose. Again, let me know if there is an error in my math.

-Kathy

Basing dosage on your criteria, the correct safeguard dose for a 5lb bird would be .12 ml. I believe we discussed the difference between dosages for large mammals and poultry a couple of months ago.

 

[casportpony]

Not wanting to argue, and it's possible there is an error in my math, but the recommended dose for 1% ivermectin (10mg/ml) is 0.2mg per kg and the recommended dose for the 0.05% pour on (5mg/ml) is 0.5mg per kg.


Based on the above, 2.5ml of the pour on is enough to treat a 55 pound cow.


Do the math and let me know if I'm wrong.


Studies have shown that it is effective when given in high doses like you have been doing, but you're probably giving 10x the recommended dose. Again, let me know if there is an error in my math.


-Kathy

Basing dosage on your criteria, the correct safeguard dose for a 5lb bird would be .12 mg.  I believe we discussed the difference between dosages for large mammals and poultry a couple of months ago.

The *Safeguard* dose for a 5 pound bird is 113.64mg, which is 113.64ml of 10% liquid or paste, but the dose for a 5 pound goat is only 11.64mg, which is 0.1164ml.

The 1% ivermectin dose for birds is 0.45mg, which is 0.045ml. Cows, horses, goats, sheep and birds all are supposed to get 0.2mg per kg (2.2 pounds)

-kathy

 

[Trefoil]

I screwed that up, using mg instead of ml, I must have been correcting this while you were posting. The figures I used for safe guard came off the bottle of safe-guard wormer for goats 10%. It states the dosage for a 25lb goat is .6mL. I divided that by 5 to get the dosage for a 5 lb goat ( and you say bird), l came up with .12ml for a 5 pound bird. Do you use this dose? Are you sure that the place that gives that dosage for ivermectin isn't the same place that says it doesn't work?

 

[casportpony]

I screwed that up, using mg instead of ml, I must have been correcting this while you were posting.  The figures I used for safe guard came off the bottle of safe-guard wormer for goats 10%.  It states the dosage for a 25lb goat is .6mL.  I divided that by 5 to get the dosage for a 5 lb goat ( and you say bird), l came up with .12ml for a 5 pound bird. Do you use this dose?  Are you sure that the  place that gives that dosage for ivermectin isn't the same place that says it doesn't work?

Birds, dogs and cats get more Safeguard per pound than grass eaters.

Does everyone know what it means when doses are listed as mg/kg? Maybe someone can explain it better than I can, because people seem to be getting confused when I try to explain it.

Safeguard
Goats, cows and horses - 5mg/kg
Horses sometimes get 10mg/kg for five days in a row.

The most effective one day dose for birds is 50mg/kg. Five days is recommended for capillary worms.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

1997 Jun;42(6):157-60.
Anthelmintic efficacy of ivermectin against Syngamus trachea and Capillaria spp. in pheasant.

Lamka J1, Svobodová V, Slézková J.
Author information

Abstract

Ivermectin (IVM) was perorally administered in dosage schemes 1 x 0.8 mg/kg of body weight (b.w.), 1 x 1.6 mg/kg h.w., 3 x 0.8 mg/kg b.w., and 3 x 1.6 mg/kg b.w. to pheasants infected by Syngamus trachea and Capillaria spp. The samples of faeces were coprologically examined. The clinical state of pheasant was controlled. In all of the used therapeutical schemes the helminthostatic or partially helminthocide effect against adults of worms was reached. The clinical signs of helmithoses were reduced only. IVM in tested doses is not possible to recommend as an effective drug of pheasant syngamosis and capillariosis.
PMID:

9269125

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

-Kathy

 

[Trefoil]

Thanks for the links. Understanding mg/kg is one thing. Converting it to usable dosage tends to be another.