USDA being sued by HSUS

[Settin'_Pretty]

Grandpooba,
that was a great bible lesson, but it didn't say anything to change my views on our need for factory raised meats.
IF someone here would like to set it all in motion so everyone now eating factory raised meats can instead eat farm fresh I'm all for it PROVIDED it doesn't cost more and everyone has the same access to the meats they have now.

I still stand by my statement that if they were all shut down tomorrow that MANY people would starve to death as a result, and nobody has come up with a valid point to counter that opinion.

I don't buy into the arguments that we should just turn off the spigot and life will go on exactly as it did before.

Some here have said that if we turned off that spigot americans wouldn't even miss a beat, America exports a LOT of meats, or didn't you realize that?
There are also all the factory workers, growers, and related service providers that would all lose their jobs.

IF you really believe what you say, those of you who want them SHUT DOWN TODAY, then I suggest you run out an buy a few hundred acres and start producing an alternative to what we have available now.
I'll buy from you provided you are within a reasonable distance from me, or if you ship to my neighborhood store.

Until then I'm going to continue to eat my 99 cent hamburgers because they're GOOD and I can afford them.
I you have a problem with that, you are welcome to stick it in you ear.

 

[Nupine]

That is your opinion, not mine, and I'm ok with that. At least you didn't call the factory workers ''farmers''.

 

[Settin'_Pretty]

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Yes I've seen battery penned birds, some of them I've seen HERE on peoples personal websites.
I don't like them, yet I don't know if I would go so far as to label it animal cruelty, because if I did I'd also have to speak out against the prison system in the same breath.

Personally I wouldn't keep a bird in a pen like that, but that just me.
I also wouldn't call for them to be shut down because I know people would then suffer loss of food or job.

 

[hooligan]

Settin'_Pretty :

With all due respect, if those factory farms disappeared tomorrow, a lot of people would starve, like them or not.

Well guess they'd have to find something other to eat than genetically modified meat.​

 

[Settin'_Pretty]

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I didn't call them farmers because they aren't farmers.
Your "chicken murdering daddy" sig tells me a lot though, you tomato murderer.

 

[Settin'_Pretty]

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Well guess they'd have to find something other to eat than genetically modified meat.

First It would be your 15 chickens, and when they were gone they'd be out looking for everyone elses.

 

[Nupine]

Settin Pretty I respect your opinion. But the people in jail have done some awful things and they have to be locked up securely or they could get loose and hurt someone. Would you rather have them live the way they are [many have tv's and such now anyway], or live in nicer but less safe environments and get loose and kill someone close to you? Plus, the more money the government spends on jails, the less they have to spend on actually important things. But those hens haven't done a thing. I personally believe it is beyond animal cruelty. But my hens deliver the goods so I am fine.

 

[Settin'_Pretty]

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Those hens would have never existed had they not been bred and hatched for that purpose.
Can you miss something that you never knew in the first place?
If I lived in a one room shack provided my the farmer I worked for, and he fed me, would you think it cruel because he lived in a 30 room mansion?

Like I said, I don't like battery pens, but I won't go so far as to say that it is cruelty.
Could those birds have a better life?
You bet they could, but I could too, just get the government to stop taxing me and I'll show you me having a better life.

 

[Crunchie]

I wasn't going to reply to this thread. I really like to stay out of the heated debates here on my fav chicken forum (I'll save the mud-slinging for my political blogging

). But I'm gonna throw my two cents out there and then probably leave this thread alone and go back to the incubation forum and get all excited about chicks hatching or something.

Settin' Pretty, I agree that you probably couldn't expect there not to be some sort of pretty devestating result from the instant disapearance of all factory farmed meat from the food supply. But...the fact is (and I'm sorry, I really can't dig up links right now--I've got a little one that's keeping me far too busy at the moment) that all of the resources used to create that factory farmed meat could in fact sustain us, as well as feed a lot of people that the factory farms can't feed now. Meat consumes a lot of resources (water, grain) in it's production that could, in turn, feed a lot more people than the cow, chicken, or pig it produced in the first place. Now, if that meat could be produces more sustainably...on real farms, not factories....that would be a different story. Unfortunately, nothing is going to magically change the way our food is produces in this country overnight, but the more people who are lucky enough to be able to produce their own food or support small farms and local agriculture, the better--and I think that that is something all of us here can agree on!

 

[Settin'_Pretty]

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We are in complete agreement, I haven't been defending the factories, but the worlds need for them.
When conditions change to a point that they are replaced with farm raised meat, then I'll be the first to jump with joy.
I just don't see shutting them down as a viable alternative to nothing.

Anyway, I've had a ball in this thread, you're all good caring people, but it's time to go find something else to do.