Vegans of BYC!!

[JacinLarkwell]

I've heard the same, I'm not sure how often it causes egg eating. Personally, my girls have never been able to peck the eggs open, and they really don't bother unless I crack it first. But perhaps chicken beaks are better at it.

To play it safe, I believe the trick is to crush the shells so that it isn't too similar to a whole egg. Cooking would be even safer to really differentiate the eggs in the nest, to the ones in the bowl.

Nah, they see me pick the eggs up and then drop them so they go splat

 

[BelovedBirds]

Nah, they see me pick the eggs up and then drop them so they go splat

That's what I do as well, they get so excited. As soon as I say "you want an eggo?" They run to the nest box and chatter at me excitedly.
Sprightly has even learned her own way of communicating when she wants something. I knew ducks were clever, but they're far more intelligent than I expected.

 

[BelovedBirds]

Supplements? Right like the essential amino acids you need to take because the plant source is incomplete. So I’m correct?

Sure I agree to not change this thread.

"With hundreds of amino acids appearing throughout nature, only 20 amino acids are found within the human body. These can be classified as either essential or non-essential amino acids.​

Essential Amino Acids​

Essential amino acids cannot be synthesised by our bodies, meaning we must consume them in our diets. Of the 20 amino acids our body needs, nine are essential; these are:

• Isoleucine
• Histidine
• Lysine
• Leucine
• Phenylalanine
• Tryptophan
• Methionine
• Threonine
• Valine

Non-Essential Amino Acids​

Non-essential amino acids are not required from our food as our body can synthesise these, often using the essential amino acids to do so.
We also tend to consume plenty of them in our diet without thinking about it. There are eleven non-essential amino acids, these are:

• Alanine
• Asparagine
• Arginine
• Aspartic acid
• Glutamic acid
• Cysteine
• Glutamine
• Proline
• Glycine
• Serine
• Tyrosine"

"The good news is there are plenty of natural vegan food sources of amino acids, including:

• Soyabeans/Tofu/Tempeh/Edamame
• Oats
• Leafy greens
• Seeds – especially pumpkin, chia, and hemp
• Nuts
• Cranberries
• Apples
• Kiwis
• Quinoa
• Mushrooms
• Avocados
• Legumes
• Orange fruits and vegetables
• Beans
• Seaweed
• Nutritional yeast"

Source-- https://www.myprotein.com/thezone/nutrition/vegan-amino-acids/


It's actually very easy to look this up. It is 100% possible to get all the essential amino acids that we need to live healthily, from a plant based diet. Is it easy? Depends where you live and what's accessible. Sometimes it isn't possible for people to live vegan, we get that. But for many people it is, so we continue to educate.

You're free to do as you wish, no one is trying to make you change your diet or lifestyle. Just like it's our choice, to follow one of our choosing.
But when the subject arises, I ask that you don't judge or mock our decision to follow it.
A simple search on the web would prove that we can be perfectly healthy.

 

[Bhubbard]

"With hundreds of amino acids appearing throughout nature, only 20 amino acids are found within the human body. These can be classified as either essential or non-essential amino acids.​

Essential Amino Acids​

Essential amino acids cannot be synthesised by our bodies, meaning we must consume them in our diets. Of the 20 amino acids our body needs, nine are essential; these are:

• Isoleucine
• Histidine
• Lysine
• Leucine
• Phenylalanine
• Tryptophan
• Methionine
• Threonine
• Valine

Non-Essential Amino Acids​

Non-essential amino acids are not required from our food as our body can synthesise these, often using the essential amino acids to do so.
We also tend to consume plenty of them in our diet without thinking about it. There are eleven non-essential amino acids, these are:

• Alanine
• Asparagine
• Arginine
• Aspartic acid
• Glutamic acid
• Cysteine
• Glutamine
• Proline
• Glycine
• Serine
• Tyrosine"

"The good news is there are plenty of natural vegan food sources of amino acids, including:

• Soyabeans/Tofu/Tempeh/Edamame
• Oats
• Leafy greens
• Seeds – especially pumpkin, chia, and hemp
• Nuts
• Cranberries
• Apples
• Kiwis
• Quinoa
• Mushrooms
• Avocados
• Legumes
• Orange fruits and vegetables
• Beans
• Seaweed
• Nutritional yeast"

Source-- https://www.myprotein.com/thezone/nutrition/vegan-amino-acids/


It's actually very easy to look this up. It is 100% possible to get all the essential amino acids that we need to live healthily, from a plant based diet. Is it easy? Depends where you live and what's accessible. Sometimes it isn't possible for people to live vegan, we get that. But for many people it is, so we continue to educate.

You're free to do as you wish, no one is trying to make you change your diet or lifestyle. Just like it's our choice, to follow one of our choosing.
But when the subject arises, I ask that you don't judge or mock our decision to follow it.
A simple search on the web would prove that we can be perfectly healthy.

Look I was having a conversation with a person that had health questions for me. I answered someone else’s question for them. Others took my response and attacked it. Read the thread. It’s not me that’s free to do as I wish. It was asked of me because I am a physiologist. I own my own business and I make my living doing this. I train 100s of clients that all have different needs for various reasons. I have a lady that competes in iron man’s at an elite level as a vegan. I write her training and her diet to match her way of life. I’m not here to say you are wrong. I was giving the easiest response to someone with a problem. I have my BS in physiology, NSCA-CSCS*, and PHD I have helped people achieve their way of life for a lot of years and will continue to do so.

 

[BelovedBirds]

Look I was having a conversation with a person that had health questions for me. I answered someone else’s question for them. Others took my response and attacked it. Read the thread. It’s not me that’s free to do as I wish. It was asked of me because I am a physiologist. I own my own business and I make my living doing this. I train 100s of clients that all have different needs for various reasons. I have a lady that competes in iron man’s at an elite level as a vegan. I write her training and her diet to match her way of life. I’m not here to say you are wrong. I was giving the easiest response to someone with a problem. I have my BS in physiology, NSCA-CSCS*, and PHD I have helped people achieve their way of life for a lot of years and will continue to do so.

I wouldnt say anyone "attacked it" from what I saw. You shouldnt feel attacked.
That's honestly great, and in that case I definitely misunderstood your viewpoint and apologise
The only issue is that when you make a brief comment that essentially judges a person's diet, others will read that and repeat it. It's how misinformation spreads and how so many people get an entirely wrong idea of veganism. If I had a penny for every time someone told me that vegans cant get enough protein, enough amino acids, I'd be rich.
Hence my response to hopefully clear the confusion and prove my point.

 

[BelovedBirds]

Look I was having a conversation with a person that had health questions for me. I answered someone else’s question for them. Others took my response and attacked it. Read the thread. It’s not me that’s free to do as I wish. It was asked of me because I am a physiologist. I own my own business and I make my living doing this. I train 100s of clients that all have different needs for various reasons. I have a lady that competes in iron man’s at an elite level as a vegan. I write her training and her diet to match her way of life. I’m not here to say you are wrong. I was giving the easiest response to someone with a problem. I have my BS in physiology, NSCA-CSCS*, and PHD I have helped people achieve their way of life for a lot of years and will continue to do so.

Just to note as well, I know you replied in the other thread, but if I reply again the conversation will probably continue and I don't want to derail the thread--

When I say supplements I'm using the word in a literal sense. Adding plant products to a meal to add vitamins. Not necessarily a vitamin pill etc.
Vitamins in that form are extremely healthy- And everyone, not only vegans or vegetarians, should be taking vitamins to boost their health in my opinion.

But I'm talking a natural, normal diet, adding tofu. Or soya, or seeds and nuts to get vitamins and protein that we need. A varied diet, that's all. These vitamins, these supplements, are part of the diet, not separate. A complete plant based diet is a healthy one.


Anyway, glad we cleared the confusion and thank you for being civil!

 

[Bhubbard]

I wouldnt say anyone "attacked it" from what I saw. You shouldnt feel attacked.
That's honestly great, and in that case I definitely misunderstood your viewpoint and apologise
The only issue is that when you make a brief comment that essentially judges a person's diet, others will read that and repeat it. It's how misinformation spreads and how so many people get an entirely wrong idea of veganism. If I had a penny for every time someone told me that vegans cant get enough protein, enough amino acids, I'd be rich.
Hence my response to hopefully clear the confusion and prove my point.

I totally understand this. That’s what is hard about texts online. I didn’t mean I felt attacked more as in multiple people started commenting on it and turned it into an issue. Would have served better as a PM probably. You are right it can be done it’s just takes more planning or supplementation from outside sources. My biggest fear in strength and conditioning with someone that is an endurance athlete is recovery. It is definitely a larger challenge. That’s for a specific person stressing their body out though. If that isn’t the case no reason to add more of something you don’t need to your diet.

 

[Bhubbard]

Just to note as well, I know you replied in the other thread, but if I reply again the conversation will probably continue and I don't want to derail the thread--

When I say supplements I'm using the word in a literal sense. Adding plant products to a meal to add vitamins. Not necessarily a vitamin pill etc.
Vitamins in that form are extremely healthy- And everyone, not only vegans or vegetarians, should be taking vitamins to boost their health in my opinion.

But I'm talking a natural, normal diet, adding tofu. Or soya, or seeds and nuts to get vitamins and protein that we need. A varied diet, that's all. These vitamins, these supplements, are part of the diet, not separate. A complete plant based diet is a healthy one.


Anyway, glad we cleared the confusion and thank you for being civil!

For sure I’m always happy to chat about this stuff… it’s what I love to do! The hardest part in my day is figuring out how to help someone that eats a way I wouldn’t lol. I also respect their choices and am hired to fix that problem.

 

[Isabella7Storm5]

I am not a vegan or vegetarian but i had a question and i dont mean this to be rude AT ALL. i've always wondered what vegans do when they have a mouse problem. Usually people put the snap traps but that kills them. So then if you catch then alive and then let them go, i heard they can come back pretty easy. Its just one of those random thoughts. Sorry to bother yall.

 

[BelovedBirds]

I am not a vegan or vegetarian but i had a question and i dont mean this to be rude AT ALL. i've always wondered what vegans do when they have a mouse problem. Usually people put the snap traps but that kills them. So then if you catch then alive and then let them go, i heard they can come back pretty easy. Its just one of those random thoughts. Sorry to bother yall.

You aren't bothering us at all!
This is actually a really good question.

The literal definition of vegan is someone who avoids using or exploiting animals as far as is reasonable- of course, we aren't perfect, we just do the best we can to cause the least amount of harm possible.
A vegan is not restricted when it comes to killing an animal, as long as we do not use the animal. But I would argue that it goes strongly against our values if we don't do our absolute best to be humane.

So coincidentally I'm currently dealing with a rat issue. I love the little guys, but obviously not a good mix with poultry and they have to go. I have a duty to protect my animals. I use live traps and relocate them very far away, where they aren't going to easily become a nuisance to any other farms etc. If far enough away, they won't come back. BUT relocating is hard on the animal, and if its a large infestation, it won't fix the problem fast enough. So that has to be considered.

Now, unfortunately after a few months of relocating, I am out of luck. They will not get caught. So I'm now resorting to kill methods. But, that said, I still appreciate these animals, they are intelligent, emotional and feel pain. So I will be using an electric trap. They go in for the bait, trigger the trap and are hit with over 8000V of electricity. They will die instantly. It is the most humane kill method in my opinion.

I will be combing through the garden and out buildings to ensure there are no nests, as I feel it would be unethical to leave any potential babies to starve. If I find some, I'm uncertain what I will do. Some would judge me for this, but I have nursed orphaned rodents and have the stuff to do it. Would I do that? Depends how many there are and whether I would be unable to release after. Alternatively I'd find a humane way to put them down.


So that's my view!
Only kill when necessary, be humane as possible, and consider other wildlife too.